Raiders' Struggles: A Deep Dive

Summary

In this episode of the Silver and Black Radio Podcast, hosts Raider Wil and Matty B discuss the Raiders' recent loss to the Chargers, the ongoing struggles of the team, and the implications of coaching decisions. They delve into the performance of quarterback Geno Smith, the need for a cohesive team strategy, and the future of head coach Pete Carroll. The conversation highlights the importance of player development, tackling, and the need for unity as the team prepares for their upcoming game against the Broncos. The hosts also share their predictions and keys to victory for the next matchup.
Takeaways

The Raiders are struggling with consistency and performance.
Coaching decisions are crucial to the team's success.
Geno Smith's performance is under scrutiny from fans and analysts alike.
The offensive line continues to be a significant issue for the team.
There is a disconnect between the coaching staff and players.
Unity and teamwork are essential for overcoming adversity.
The future of Pete Carroll as head coach is uncertain.
Player development is critical for the team's long-term success.
The team needs to focus on tackling and run game improvement.
Fans are frustrated with the team's direction and coaching decisions.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Game Recap
03:03 Coaching and Team Performance Issues
05:58 The Future of Pete Carroll and Team Stability
09:05 Geno Smith's Performance and Future
12:07 Fan Reactions and Organizational Accountability
30:14 Coaching Dynamics: Chip Kelly and Pete Carroll
32:04 Offensive Strategy and Play Calling
37:27 Transitioning to Greg Olson's Play Calling
41:31 Evaluating Player Performance: Malcolm Coons
47:30 Keys to Victory Against the Broncos

Transcript

Raider Wil (00:02.984)
And welcome back to the Silver and Black Radio Podcast. I'm your host, Raider Will. And today is week 14. We're going to get into it. I got my boy, Matty B. So let's get ready. Let's get ready to go here. You already know I'm going to play the intro.

Raider Wil (00:55.625)
Hey, what up, Matty B. Whiskrackin', baby.

Matty B (00:58.316)
Not much man, how you guys doing? Just getting down and resting in the sun and stuff.

Raider Wil (01:06.084)
Nice, Yes, sir. So as y'all know, man, we just came up this week, 13 loss to the Chargers. We lose 31-14. Man, Matty B, give me your thoughts on this game.

Matty B (01:21.813)
Man, it's been a minute since I've been on here, so it's been horrible couple of weeks, man. But yeah, this week was definitely one that I thought we were gonna have a little more momentum coming into this game, which I'm not saying that we didn't have a little more than what we've had lately, but we fell short again and it's just another rough season, man, that we just got to endure, so.

You know, the offensive line is not getting any better every week. It just seems like it's either getting worse or it was the same as the week before.

Geno Smith quarterback play. It's still iffy one game. didn't, he still threw a pick, you know, I don't know. It could be the ugliest pick in the world or the cleanest pick in the world. And it's still like, he throw, he manages to throw a pick every game. yeah, man, it's just, we got a lot of stuff we got to fix, man.

Raider Wil (02:20.834)
No, absolutely, man.

Matty B (02:26.984)
a lot of coaches that need to take responsibility and lot of players that need to step up and take responsibility.

Raider Wil (02:35.66)
Absolutely man and when we're talking about this Chargers game man again 14 31 loss man. It just seems to me like this team and Continuously seems to just shit the bed. We're looking at it man, and it's week one right or week 13 The team in the first half man we go in 7-7. We're tied up with the Chargers. It looks like a straight-out slugfest

First play in the second half, huge touchdown run. We're sitting there watching it. We see two guys miss tackles in open space. And then all of a sudden, all hell breaks loose. I'll be like, we couldn't score, we couldn't move the ball, we couldn't get a tackle. And it just seems that it consistently happens to our Raiders team this year. And no matter what we do, bro, it's like, we cannot buy a win.

Matty B (03:30.577)
Yeah.

Raider Wil (03:33.508)
So.

Matty B (03:36.713)
Yeah, no, I agree with you, I'm sorry about that. I didn't mean to cut you off.

Raider Wil (03:40.76)
No, no, And I'll be like, and so when I look at this man, I'm saying we fired Chip Kelly. We got rid of guys. We're getting rid of all these people. But yet we continuously don't get rid of the problem. I mean, our offensive line is handing out sacks left and right. Our offensive line can't block anyone up front. They're struggling.

They can't get it together. And again, we continuously say, hey, it's not this guy's fault. It's not Brendan Carroll's fault. It's Chip Kelly's fault. So I'd be like, we changed the offensive coordinator, we changed the play calling, and we're still struggling, man. We're still giving up a ton of sacks. And at the end of the day, man, I'm really going to ask you this. Do you think that we need to fire Brendan Carroll?

Matty B (04:19.948)
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Matty B (04:38.363)
I'm gonna tell you this right now, man. I'm gonna, I think honestly to tell you the truth, we fire Brendan Carroll, they're gonna fire Pete Carroll. And I'm honestly okay with them at this point, but I mean like at the other end of that, you know, that note, we look forward to it again next year, what we're seeing this year.

If we do that, if we go that route, you know what I mean? Because there's not going to be one coach that's going to come in here and change the season around. And there's just how many have we been through since we moved to Vegas? It's the same cycle over and over and over again, man. How many coaches are we paying still? We get rid of Pete Carroll. That's another coach added to all them coaches that we still pay. You know, so it's it. We're shooting ourselves in the foot on and off the field when it comes to everything, dude. Like we can't we can't.

Raider Wil (05:13.601)
Ugh.

Matty B (05:29.317)
stop getting penalties on the field. We can't stop getting hurt. We can't stop a blitz. We can't stop anything, man. So it's rough, dude. It's like, where does the blame fall? Is it on the organization, like the owner? Because in my opinion, think, when I read an article, I think I kind of agree with this article is everybody knows Mark Davis is not a football guy. But

Mark Davis has given it his all, man. He is out there trying. He is hiring guys with football IQ, with backgrounds, with everything, you know, and nobody's getting the jobs done. So who is it? Who's it falling on? Is it the players just not believing in the systems? Is it the coaches? Like, I just, I don't understand. these players should know schemes. They should know what a zone is. They should know what this is. They should know their positions. You know, like I don't, you know, like I know.

I don't know man, I just I don't know what it is. know, like it can't be every single coach that we hire, every single player that we get on here just goes to shit when they come to this team. I don't understand.

Raider Wil (06:38.466)
Well, I'm going to tell you like this, man. I'm like, I agree with you 100 % that it's a difficult thing. We can't just be hiring and firing coaches at a random thing and saying, hey, man, this guy isn't cutting the cheese right now. Let's get rid of him. It just doesn't work like that. You know, at the end of the day, though, right now, I do think that Pete Carroll is on the hot seat. And this was one of my questions, man. You actually brought it right right on up. It's Pete one and done.

I'll be like, is this a possible year for Pete Carroll to be one and done? And I'm going to tell you right now, bro, the way that things are going, it is an absolute possibility that Pete Carroll is one and done at the end of this year. I know that we're going to say, hey, you know, we have to build, we have to see all these things. But there is not one thing that we can hang our hat on and say that we did a positive thing, that Pete Carroll has come in and done something.

I'd be like, if you want to tell me one thing, tell me one thing that you think that Pete Carroll has improved since he's got here.

Matty B (07:44.163)
I was just gonna ask you that. Name one player that's actually said one positive thing about Pete Carroll and fighting for him and believing in his system since this losing streak. Can you name one? Cause it's been, all I can say is it's been complaining about things just aren't going right. Things aren't doing this. You know what I mean? So obviously the players aren't connecting with him. So I could see that it's a one and done season. Like you're saying, I think you're right right there.

Raider Wil (07:55.332)
No!

Matty B (08:12.987)
My only thing is how many one and done seasons are we going to keep having? How many two and done seasons are we going to keep having? How many times are we going to keep going as an organization and as a fan base? I get the fans are frustrated. I totally get it. get I'm frustrated. And I know you're frustrated. know everybody I know that watches the Raiders get frustrated. at the end of the day, it's like.

Something we got to quit we got to find stability somewhere man and these one and done and two and done seasons aren't ever gonna cut that man like we're gonna have to bite the bullet for a good three or four years if we want to really stick with the coach we need to find a coach that we can all agree on front office and everything give them a good solid five years and Let them build man and just bite the bullet. You know if we have a good if we have a shitty bad two seasons bite the bullet

How many look at Sean Payton since he's came back, you know, everybody was saying the same thing about him in Denver. He's a one and done coach. He's a one and done coach with Denver. He's not doing it. He's got Russell Wilson. He's got this. He's got that. He's got that. It's the third year. Look at him. So I'm not saying that people don't have the faith in Pete Carroll. I'm just saying we as fans have to have a little more faith in these coaching staffs than a couple, you know, losing games. I get it.

Raider Wil (09:34.572)
I get what you're saying, I do. But at this point, man, and I know that everybody's saying, who's gonna want this job? Who's gonna want to come here and be the coach of the Raiders? I'm not saying that anybody's gonna come in and say, hey, I'm gonna be wanting to do that. But once you have a high draft pick and you have the ability to draft the guy that you want, I can really see them going young.

I can say that that's enticing to me, you know, to say, hey, you know what? You're a young coordinator. Let's draft you a quarterback. Let's make sure that you can grow with him right now. Matt, I don't think if we were to draft the player that we could develop anyone.

Matty B (10:14.402)
We could we don't have any coaches that can develop and that's obvious with the whole the nipo kids, you know what I mean? Like that's that's That this that's all it is right now, you know, and that's what's Pete Carroll back is this whole is his kids You know, like I can almost guarantee if his kids weren't there right now Pete Carroll would be making his choices He would be making the changes but Since his kids are in that spot and his kids know nothing about what they're doing obviously

Raider Wil (10:45.352)
I get what you're saying. I do. I'm gonna say says big luck just chimed in. He says, what's up big luck. Thank you for timing in bro. Says I will have faith on the next one in the next one. He says that he will have faith in the next coach that Pete Carroll right now, you know, doesn't really give you any man. He doesn't give you any hope and that's the thing right? So Matt and I'm gonna tell you like this. Here's my biggest issue with Pete Carroll.

Matty B (10:54.336)
What up?

Raider Wil (11:14.818)
He keeps talking about winning right now and doing all these things to win right now. But every single move that he's made doesn't tell me that. Tell me JPJ shouldn't be the starting center or right guard. Tell me that that didn't just start a whole mess load of things. Every single player man has regressed on the offensive line.

Matty B (11:31.361)
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Yeah.

Raider Wil (11:39.397)
Freaking Pete Carroll isn't it? And I'm telling you right now, like Big Bluff just said it, sleepy Pete ain't it. Man, he's a guy that's come in right now and I think the game has passed him by. For us as Raiders fans, when his resume came up, we got enamored with it. We said, man, what a great resume. This guy has won Super Bowls, has a winning culture, has turned things around. But Matt.

At 73 years old, are you really able to connect with your players? Are you really able to motivate them and find what like the passion that they want to play with? Because right now from what I'm seeing from the Raiders is there's a total disconnect. These guys are not playing for these guys aren't playing for anybody else.

Matty B (12:28.926)
Alright.

Raider Wil (12:30.365)
So I'd be like, and you as a coach, you know this. I'll be like, you have to find a way to connect with those people, but connect with these young men, to connect with your players and make them play and make them think that they're better than they are. And at the end of the day, he can't do that. He's not doing it. He's not coming in and he's not changing. And for me, Kelly was the scapegoat. Yes, did Chip Kelly have

Matty B (12:44.754)
Yeah.

Raider Wil (12:57.284)
a different manner of running offense? Yeah. But I'm going to tell you the biggest mistake the Raiders did make.

The Raiders hired their GM and then prepackaged the coach.

The GM didn't pick the coach.

He literally said, okay, you know what? We're hiring Spy Tech the next day we have Sleepy Pete. And next thing you know, got Chip Kelly running your offense. This is a total disconnect from up top, man. I believe like you got a coach that's in the wind now, a GM that's coaching or that's drafting for the future, and a freaking head coach and offensive coordinator that have two totally different philosophies. Chip Kelly wants to throw the ball.

A high rate of time hit on the big play. What does Sleepy Pete want to do? He wants to run the football, play good defense. Now, from the beginning of the year, this should have been a clear sign that we are dysfunctional as hell.

Matty B (14:04.322)
Mm-hmm Yeah, I agree with you 100 % man, like I agree where you're coming from with that And I I mean I'm just

Raider Wil (14:12.388)
So.

Matty B (14:16.827)
I don't know man, like what's I get we can come in next year and do the same thing, what's the same? Well, tell me what's the difference between. Give me this. What's the difference between the give me this. Give me the difference between Pete Carroll. And Antonio Pierce. With that.

Raider Wil (14:26.402)
The difference I'll give you.

Raider Wil (14:37.454)
The difference between Pete Carroll and Antonio Pierce is too different. So with Antonio Pierce, the frustration was that he didn't have it, that he was a coach that was learning, he was going through the growing progressions. With Pete Carroll, we shouldn't be going through these growing progressions. Yes, a change of culture, a change of things, but you should be seeing players get better. You should be playing every single thing get in

Matty B (15:02.817)
You should.

Raider Wil (15:06.668)
in a better aspect, but Matt, we're going backwards. And don't tell me that you don't got the players you want.

Matty B (15:09.615)
Right. So what's the same when we go, I know, but I'm just saying like, what's the say that when you go and you let go of Pete Carroll, right. And I'm not saying that it's not a bad idea to let go of him. Hey, I'm not on that. I'm not on that. The whole, we've got to keep Pete thing. Okay. I'm not on that. I'm just saying like, I'm just scenarios for instance, you know, what young up and coming OC are you going to see that's going to come in here that may have the exact same effects that we've had the last two seasons?

What are we going to be saying about that in a year or two? Are we going to be saying jump ship on that guy too because he just ain't got it or is it he ain't got the players that he got or he got jipped on this or he got jipped on that? That's why I say is it something in the organization itself? Or is it the coaches or the players? You know what mean? Because I get where you're coming from where the players have to connect with the coach. I totally agree with that because I've coached and I have to be you have to.

be able to communicate with your players and be able to be on their level with them and understand who they are and how they are and how they play and how the game goes to them. You know what mean? You got to play to their advantages.

At what point do we as fans and we as people that put our money into this shit say that we're gonna give you a little bit of time, but we wanna win now, but we want a little bit of time.

Raider Wil (16:38.649)
I don't, no, no, no, I'm not on that, we gotta win now train, right? Because I know our team isn't built right now to win right now. It's just not built that way.

Matty B (16:46.553)
Mm-hmm. 100%. I agree with you on that. 100%.

Raider Wil (16:50.735)
You know, so and big luck just hit something else right here players wanted to play for AP He just couldn't coach them up. He didn't have the ability to I'm gonna tell you like this The reason that I say that This would could be different is because when you talk to your GM and you say you're gonna hire your guy You two are gonna be tied together just like McDaniel's was with Ziegler

They're both on the same timeframe. They're both on the same page. They're both looking at Caleb Rogers getting reps. Hey, we talked about it. He got 17 reps last game. I'll be like, he did an excellent job and he's sitting on the bench and getting a bunch of healthy scratches. Right now, my biggest thing is once you figured out that this season you couldn't win and your team wasn't good enough.

Matty B (17:24.282)
Okay.

Raider Wil (17:44.661)
Why weren't you giving the rookies and all the young guys play time? Because at the end of the day when you're coming in and you're saying, yeah, we're going to win and we're going to win right now, but you're two and 10 or two and eight and you're still giving people the same shit. Matt, you and I know bro, when you're coaching your parents and the people around you know the bullshit.

Matty B (17:45.081)
.

Matty B (17:56.825)
Mm-hmm.

Raider Wil (18:10.361)
You know, if you come out there after a two and 10 season and you're going to tell the parents, hey, we're still trying to win game guys. So we're going to not change anything. Tommy's still going to be sitting on the bench. you know that parents going to fly off the handle.

Matty B (18:30.672)
Yeah. Yeah. So I agree with you on that. I I think we should be playing our younger cats. I think we should be seeing what, you know, we have behind us. You know, we do this is what they say. This is probably one of the better drafts we've had in last couple of years. But yet we have yet to see any of these draft picks play.

Raider Wil (18:34.255)
You know? Yes.

Matty B (18:49.625)
You know, so I mean, how good do we know these? How good are these players? You know, like we've seen what was it, Caleb Rogers a couple days ago. We've seen him for like 20 something plays, you know, so I mean, in and out, he didn't start, I don't think, but you know, he was playing with Messi or Massey or whoever it was. I think he was rotating with him, but.

Raider Wil (18:50.245)
Exactly.

Raider Wil (19:12.121)
Yeah, and that's what bothers me,

Matty B (19:13.654)
I mean, we got-

And it took it took us to get rid of Jacoby Myers to even get Thornton in there to get Besh in there. You know what I mean? So it's like. Like you said, it goes back to the beginnings, you know, like when we when this shit was getting blown up in the first five weeks. Remember when I said, hey, it's going to be five weeks before we find out. What this team's built of K after five weeks, we should have already been playing our like, like you said, we should have already been playing rookies. We should have already been seeing who we got.

Raider Wil (19:36.196)
Yeah!

Raider Wil (19:45.973)
Exactly, So.

Matty B (19:47.018)
So yeah, I agree with you 100 % on that. We should have been playing them from the get-go. And I don't understand where he's coming from with this. The veterans thing, you know, like, I don't know, man. This makes no sense to me.

Raider Wil (19:59.331)
No, I agree with you. Talking about veterans, okay? Let me ask you this question. Do you think that Geno Smith has a bright future regardless of piece of radar or not? Just like he came out today and said. So, Maddy B, what do you think?

Matty B (20:25.528)
think I don't think that I think if he left us, I think another team would probably pick him up. But I don't think he's got a bright future. I think he like he got a bright future as like a backup or maybe a third string. You know, he's a and another thing to like another thing I got from that whole interview that he had today was, what do you say? How do you say? I don't let things bother me. I tend to just let things you know,

roll off my shoulders and just keep going with it. But yeah, you let fans get under your skin and flip them off and trash your own fan base, but you let things roll off your shoulder and you don't let things bother you. Get out of here, bro. Get out of here. You are putting your foot in your mouth, bro. You are putting your foot in your mouth every which direction you can go in this fan base, bro. Like just shut up. Just don't even do any more press conferences, dude. Like I don't care how bright your future is outside of Raider Nation.

Raider Wil (21:09.061)
GEE NO! I'm like, hey, and Rayder Travis is...

Matty B (21:23.265)
But your future is dim as fuck at Raider Nation and you ain't got no future here. So just... Go sit on the bench.

Raider Wil (21:33.027)
Hey, salute Raider Travis, I see you in the building. I'm going to tell you like this, Gino, write future outside of the Raiders? It's like my spelling right there, baby. You ain't got no way that you're going to make it outside. Are you kidding me? Who's going to give you an opportunity, Gino? Stop thinking about the future. Stop downplaying stuff. Gino, be a man.

Matty B (21:34.107)
Thank

Raider Wil (21:59.663)
You don't talk about the future when you are having a shitty ass season saying, I have a bright future, regardless of if I'm here or not. That doesn't matter. How about you go out there and say, hey, I haven't been performing. I'm not thinking about the future. I'm thinking about the next week, the next game to try to do better for this team. That's what I want to hear. But Gino coming out and telling me that he has a bright future somewhere else?

don't give a damn. I don't care, Gino, that you have a bright future flipping burgers at McDonald's. Fantastic. But what I want you to do is buckle up, man up and say, hey, you know what? I'm messing up on the field. This is why fans are pissed off at me. And I'm going to address this situation now because I'm going to tell you, Gino flipping off the fans. I'm going to say it for real.

Matty B (22:30.945)
Hey.

Raider Wil (22:59.385)
I 100 % think that that fan literally was being an asshole. I know the things that are said on that field and I know the things that you have to say and the way that you have to act in order to get one of those conduct tickets. Bro, we have the legendary SSJ with us. And that man ain't never got a ticket and I see the things that he does. So don't sit here and try to act like the victim when you're the fan.

But at the same time, I'm going to tell you like this, do know that's a lack of professionalism? That's a lack of you just being a damn man. You get paid $38 million. If somebody tells you, you fucking suck, you eat dirt, suck it the fuck up because for 38 mil, shit, man, people can tell me a lot of things, Matty B.

Matty B (23:46.803)
Hey, so check this out. Didn't Gino have to say something because wasn't it wasn't it a was it some Samoa that got that they got that video of him flipping off the fans? I think he was the one that got that video. I think he got a video and I think he was one of the ones that posted Jesse. Okay. Okay. So anyways, they got the they got the footage of it, right? Okay. If he's the one that caught that and he's the one that let it go, how did the fan get the ticket without

Raider Wil (23:57.957)
I think there's a couple people. No, no, it's Jesse. It was Jesse.

Matty B (24:16.828)
the media seeing it. That means Gino had to have gone back there and said, is what, you know, like this fan's getting out of control, blah, blah. You need to go give him something, you know, like that's the only way that dude would have got one.

You know what I mean? Like so, I don't know, man. Maybe his bright future is youth football. You know. Yeah, you pay him the big bucks. Yeah.

Raider Wil (24:38.831)
Maybe because that's what he says they pay him the big bucks for. That's the only time I've seen him accident. And then here's the thing, Raider Travis just said it. He will be on the field on Sunday. Matt, I'm like you that is as a coach, see a lack of discipline from your starting quarterback. Are you still starting him on that Saturday morning?

Matty B (25:01.331)
Nope. No.

Raider Wil (25:03.917)
Are you still starting him on that Friday night?

Matty B (25:06.043)
No, you know what the bench is the best fucking punishment for anybody man in my opinion That's the best fucking tool you're ever gonna get if you want to get the best out of anybody you set them on a bench, dude Best punishment

Raider Wil (25:21.534)
Yeah. 100%. And that for me right there were Pete Carroll. Okay. And I'm to tell you something that pissed me off first is that the Raiders sent out an apology first. The Raiders as an organization stood up and said, Hey, this guy messed up, blah, blah, blah. And then Gino Smith comes out three or four days later with the freaking sorry ass excuse. I'm like, no, that's pathetic, man.

fucking pathetic and that we allow this as an organization to happen is even more pathetic. I'll be like, I can't believe it. I'll be like, I'm literally talking about a guy flipping off the fans, treating them like shit and the guy still starts.

Matty B (26:05.552)
Hey man, we've had fans get fucking tickets for flags and all kinds of signs and things like that. you know, it don't surprise me that things like that happen in our stadium.

Raider Wil (26:18.755)
Vegas Ralph was the last guy that got that ticket. you know Vegas Ralph is crazy, man. had the big old sign. this guy, bro, it's like Raider Travis just said.

Matty B (26:26.182)
Yeah, but they're not like they're not flipping people off, you know, things like that. It's a sign, bro. Like if you're getting kicked out for a sign because your team is not doing good, it's an organizational issue. Yeah, it's an organizational issue. That just means your organization is not wanting to see the trash talking from your fans. You're here for a reason. You're not here to, you know, you don't have a voice here. You're just here to watch the game. Basically is how that feels. You know what I mean? Like.

Raider Wil (26:32.685)
Yeah.

Raider Wil (26:37.63)
That's a different level. Yeah, that's a different level. But let me...

Raider Wil (26:54.861)
No, I get you. And at this point too, like, I'm just going to say it, writer Travis says, I never heard no one getting the ticket like that.

And then he says, Geno's apology wasn't sincere. Absolutely, man. We know this. Not even a little bit. Nobody believes Geno Smith's apology. But I want to know, and I'm going to tell you this, man. I want to know what that fan said. I want to know what he said to have that reaction.

Matty B (27:11.706)
No, no, no, not even a little bit. Not even a little bit.

Matty B (27:19.794)
No.

Matty B (27:25.5)
Yeah, I wanna know too.

Matty B (27:30.822)
Yeah, because was it the there was another thing saying that that's it. read another report to about somebody or about a reporter saying that the fans at the Chargers games, the Raider fans were a huckling, Gino Smith behind the line and stuff like that, saying that it was his fault for their divorce and shit like that and blah, blah. And I'm like.

Raider Wil (27:31.524)
You know what I'm saying?

Raider Wil (27:53.735)
He did it to himself! He literally came out!

Matty B (27:54.53)
he does it to himself bro like he does it to himself like you just said bro like it's he just keeps going with it bro and he keeps crying about it and that's what makes it even more pathetic you know like he's you want somebody to come save you and like i mean p carol you know

Raider Wil (28:11.909)
No, no, and this is the thing that bothers me. Pete Carroll is doing it, bro. Pete Carroll is mother Henning Gino with his bad behavior, with his incompetence at quarterback. And literally every week all I hear is, we're so close. We're just right there, just a little bit more. I'm like, Pete, what game are you watching?

Matty B (28:33.478)
No, we're not. We're out of it, bro. We were out of it last week. Thanks a lot for being this close.

Raider Wil (28:40.793)
Bro, I'll be like, I don't get what game he's watching that he continuously says that we're close, that we're competing, that we're even competitive.

Matty B (28:52.856)
We've had two teams give up within two minutes of the fucking fourth quarter, bro, or two minutes have two minutes left in the game for the fourth quarter, bro.

Raider Wil (28:53.509)
haven't even seen.

Raider Wil (28:58.479)
Two teams! Kneeling the ball in the third! And Pete Carroll is now in week 14 saying, Hey guys, we're going to win games. We're going to be competitive. We're going to continue to do this. No, bro. Don't sit here and talk to me about this trash. Show me the truth.

Matty B (29:20.752)
Yep. Yeah.

Raider Wil (29:21.593)
Are you there? Yeah, man. mean, like, that's what I want to know. So let me ask you this.

Do you believe that Pete Carroll sabotaged Chip and his office? Do think he's gonna be in there talking, saying, hey man, this is what we're gonna do? Yeah, hey Travis, 100%, half the fans were flipping Gino off, 100%, no doubt about it. But go ahead, man, my bad.

Matty B (29:49.344)
No.

Matty B (29:54.574)
I think.

Matty B (29:58.78)
So repeat that question. I'm sorry, man. didn't, I lost track.

Raider Wil (30:02.671)
So do you think, do you think?

That's that. Pete Carroll sabotaged Chip Kelly.

Matty B (30:14.093)
No. Well, I don't think Pete Carroll sabotaged Chip Kelly. Like you said, I don't think they were both on the same page. I think, I mean, Chip Kelly is the offensive coordinator, right? Pete Carroll is the head coach. get Pete Carroll has his influence on it, but Pete Carroll is going to be more with the defensive side of the ball, in my opinion, because he's a defensive minded coach. If you're an offensive coordinator and you're letting your head coach who is a defensive minded coordinator,

tell you how to run your plays and do what you need to do, you shouldn't be an offensive coordinator. In my opinion. I think if you had an idea and a game plan coming into this season, that's the game plan you went with. And I think he really relied on Geno Smith. I think he was in it just as much as Pete Carroll was with Geno Smith. I think he believed in Geno Smith more than any of those quarterbacks on that roster, which is the reason why none of the other guys got played in his scheme.

He's a college quarterback, he's a college coach and he does a lot of the RPO, a lot of stuff like that. Man, he's, that's what he does, man. That's what he's known for, man. He did that shit in Philly. He's done that shit in Buffalo. Would you not expect him to come over here and rate and in the Raiders and do the same exact same thing, the same exact thing? Or do you think he would change it up? No, he's going to stick with what he knows.

So I don't think that Pete Carroll sabotaged his shit. I think he that's just a cop out for his believing in Gino, man. I think they believed in Gino too much. It's just sabotage both of them, honestly. And I get like, if you don't have the quarterback, but you guys went out and you picked this guy and it didn't work out. So it falls on both of them in my opinion, but I don't think Pete Carroll sabotaged it. No.

Raider Wil (32:04.141)
Man, I think this is some delusional stuff. When people start talking about a coach coming in and sabotaging his play calls and saying, yeah, you know, he didn't run what I wanted to run. Chip, it's your job as the offensive coordinator to go in there in your boss's office and be like, hey, before I take this job, are we going to make sure that rerun the things I want to run? I'd be like, I'm pretty sure when you're in these meetings, you're sitting there talking about

Strategy you're sitting there talking about things you want to do in the future and you're telling me now that You looked at 73 year old Pete Carroll and we're so highly intimidated that you were just like Pete whatever you want to do and Pete Carroll came in there and said hey Chip I want you to throw the ball 49 times I Want you to throw the ball 50 times so Gino can sack get set

Matty B (32:59.596)
.

Raider Wil (33:03.109)
10 to 15 times a game. That's exaggerated. We all know it's five to 10, but I'd be like at the end of the day, Matt, that makes zero sense to me. If I come on to your staff, you're the head coach. The first thing I do is say, hey man, this is what I do. This is what I run. Is this compatible with you? This is the way I play defense.

This is the way I cope.

And now you're going to tell me that, you know what?

didn't do that like you just went in there and he started telling me what to do Matt tell me this offense is built to run the game no I mean like we're coming out of shotgun 90 % of the time Pete Carroll is not known for coming out of the shotgun and they're like they wanted to do you know they wanted to simulate the Shane Waldron offense that they played in Seattle bro

Matty B (33:51.013)
Yeah.

Matty B (33:54.803)
Mm-hmm.

Matty B (34:03.602)
I know.

Raider Wil (34:12.345)
This was no two back system. I saw no 22 or 12 personnel. We were supposed to come out of 12 personnel so much this year. I ain't seen shit. So every single thing, man, that I keep hearing that's coming out of our organization sounds like some dysfunctional shit.

Matty B (34:34.622)
Yep.

Raider Wil (34:35.735)
And I'd be like, bro, it's like this, bro. We got hoes in different area codes and they are all calling the popos because, bro, we got people saying, Adam Butler's upset. This guy's upset. Bro, this is a total dysfunctional organization from the top. And it starts with Pete Carroll and it goes all the way down.

Matty B (34:55.435)
I it was again the same thing we did when it came to AP, you know, we we got AP, right? We hired him and then it took us how long to get our offensive coordinator? How long to get things set up? How long to get the quarterback we wanted? You know things like that the same thing here. I think they rushed it this time

I think they were like, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Well, we didn't get this guy. So we're going to go this guy. We're going to get this guy. OK, oh, let's go get this guy out of retirement. Let's go bring this guy over here. Let's hurry up and do this. And let's make a big splash. Let's make everybody happy. And then nobody was on the same page, like you said. Nobody sat down. It's like they didn't even have a meeting. They're just like, yeah, this is who we're going with. Figure it out.

Raider Wil (35:36.933)
100 % and it's like this, bro. You're gonna tell me Chip Kelly was so excited to come coach Geno Smith that he was so talented. Are you kidding me, bro? Stop lying to me, Chip. Ain't nobody gonna lie and believe that bullshit. Ain't nobody gonna come into the league and say, Geno Smith, so talented. I really want to go and coach Geno Smith. Get out of here, man. And I'd be like, when you look at the shotgun.

Matty B (35:36.971)
You know.

Matty B (35:46.708)
Mm-hmm.

Matty B (35:59.86)
Yeah.

Raider Wil (36:05.649)
It's like Travis said, we're losing more yards out of shotgun than we are gaining. People are like, it's gonna give Geno Smith more time. Geno Smith more time to what? To look at the offensive line crumble in front of him?

Matty B (36:10.257)
Yep.

Matty B (36:18.324)
Geno Smith can't even

And even when he's under center, he can't even get out of center. You know, like I didn't see one foot from the center step on his foot when they show that replay on that, man. He straight up trips over his own feet.

Raider Wil (36:35.043)
No, no, Kappa stepped on them. What? I'm going to. Yeah.

Matty B (36:36.744)
Did he? I didn't see no cap a step on him, man. I didn't see that. Like maybe I must've missed it or I'm blind or something, but I was like, dude, what, where? But isn't that you as a quarterback? you're responding. You have to take those steps. Get out of the way of the center, dude. Like that's on email, bro. That is on Gino. Footwork, bro, footwork.

Raider Wil (36:53.209)
You gotta go!

Raider Wil (36:56.867)
You gotta get out of there. Absolutely. That's where I'm like, what's going on, Then big luck says it, especially in the run. Well, when you're coming out from underneath center, that step needs to be quick, it needs to be effective, it needs to get back there. That's the whole thing, right? And this is the basic shit. Matt, this is basic stuff that we're talking about. Coming out from underneath center.

Matty B (37:09.746)
Do that.

Matty B (37:20.786)
What? Is this shit I'm teaching Pee Wee football? Is this shit I teach in Pee Wee football?

Raider Wil (37:27.327)
Exactly. Now let me ask you this. Now that we saw that Chip Kelly's gone, what did you think about Greg Olson's play call?

Matty B (37:36.594)
Well, like I say, it's the same. It's the same shit. It's just a matter of how you use your pieces. You know, I think he uses pieces a little bit better than Chip Kelly used them. It's the same offense. You're not going to change your offense 13 games into the season and tear up the playbook of Chip Kelly and redo it. So, I mean, you're obviously running his playbook. You're running his stuff. But like I said, man, it's all a matter of how you use your pieces. You know, like I said, I've seen a couple of guys get moved around.

I've seen a couple, you know, Rodgers played a couple snaps, you know, there, there, seems like he's putting in guys that have some upside, you know, and I think he's using his pieces to his advantage. I think it was a week and he didn't have a lot of time. So I didn't, I don't think we've seen a lot of it, but I do think you're going to see a lot more improvement with Greg Olson.

You know, he's been with the organization a couple of times, man, two or three times, I believe. So, but, you know, I think, I think you're going to see a little bit better. I would say better play out of the guys with him calling the place versus Chip Kelly calling them. But like I said, it's still Chip Kelly's playbook.

Raider Wil (38:52.961)
Absolutely bro. So we had Travis say he missed it, he must have missed that. Then we have our boy Big Luck now chiming in. Says, Kaepa and Geno was never gonna work, regardless of who tripped who. Says, according to Greg, he'll implement his plays slowly.

And you know what, Big Luck agrees with you. You can only change so much at this point. I'm with you there. Greg Olson is running the offense that Chip Kelly is in and people are saying, why can't you just change all the offense? Are you kidding me, man? I like, it takes the whole preseason to implement the shit that we have right now. And it looks this bad. Yeah.

Matty B (39:40.475)
Not even the preseason, the whole offseason, bro. The whole offseason.

Raider Wil (39:45.265)
It looks this bad right now. If we were to change the whole playbook, bad. It would be bad. our brother Max is in the building. What's up, Max? Make sure that you guys get your silver black coffee, baby. Silver and black dot com. You guys all sorts of gear on there now, man. Staying fresh. Stay fresh. Thank you so much, my brother, for the support. Yo.

Matty B (39:55.046)
What up, Max?

Raider Wil (40:09.071)
But with Greg Olson, what I did like Matt is that I see him using the guys that we need. I see him developing the guys. I see him actually giving the ball to Ashton Gentey. Ashton Gentey's only had 23 carries the most this season. He's somewhere around 17, 19 with Greg Olson. And I'm like, you know what, man? This guy is trying to use the guys that we have. At the end of the day, can he change the whole playbook? Can he fire Brendan Carroll? Can he?

Matty B (40:28.739)
Mm-hmm.

Raider Wil (40:38.489)
make that miracle happen? No! But guess what? It's all right, man. We're going to be moving in the right Exactly. And I like what Greg Olson did. I think he's doing a lot of different things now. Do I think it's going to prevent us having a shitload of sacks? No! Because Brendan Carroll is the coach there. That's why. And Brendan Carroll sucks.

Matty B (40:40.035)
He can do his job.

Raider Wil (41:07.269)
But brother, you know, we've always been looking for this pair next to Max. A guy that's gonna be a one-two punch.

And a guy that I thought was gonna make a change this year and really step up but really hasn't. I want to get your idea.

Matty B (41:31.414)
I'm now.

Raider Wil (41:32.751)
Tell me, what you think about our boy Malcolm?

Matty B (41:36.468)
Well, the first game in New England, it looked like he picked up right where he left off. Ever since then, looks like he started the previous three years prior to that. So, I mean, he came back a little bit last week, I guess, but.

It's not a one year prove it deal, I he's got a couple more games to prove it, you know? mean, I don't really think, I don't know, man.

I think he's a good player. I think he's still got upside, but I wouldn't like sign him to no major contract. I'm not bringing him back on a three, four year deal and throwing money on him. I'll give him another one year deal. Give me another one year deal if you want to stay, you know, and we'll see what happens when we get another offensive coordinator in or a defensive coordinator in there or something. Cause honestly, I'll tell you the truth. I think, I think Patrick Graham has gone after this year. Honestly, to tell you the truth, I think Patrick Graham has gone after this year. So I think we're going to be looking for a new OC. We're going be looking for a new DC.

Raider Wil (42:07.171)
bro.

Raider Wil (42:13.477)
No! Bro, he hasn't done anything! He hasn't done anything!

Matty B (42:35.807)
And may even be looking for a new head coach. So, I mean, we may be blowing the whole thing up.

Raider Wil (42:42.179)
And I'm okay with that. If we're gonna do something like that, we need to clean house. We need to get everybody out. I don't want no remnants of this shit left behind. It's so tiring.

Matty B (42:52.338)
Yeah. I think the only two guys that are willing to stay right now that I would say are not going anywhere. Actually, I can give you three of them. And I'm going to say that's Max Crosby, obviously that's Brock Bowers, obviously. And I think AJ Cole. I think those are the only three guys that are in my opinion, guys that you don't move out of the franchise. Everybody else disposable. Get rid of them. Blow it up. Build around them.

Raider Wil (43:22.181)
see what you're saying. I got a ride with Ashton Genti still. mean like you still got to see it. You see JPJ. I mean like you see Jeep.

Matty B (43:25.501)
Oh, I mean, like Ash and Gentie. Yeah, I mean, obviously he's going to be with us. I mean, JPJ, but I mean, I'm talking like, I'm, you know, like I'm talking about the solid core guys. You know what I mean? Like the guys that have been here for a minute. You know what I mean? Well, I guess obvious Bach Bowers hasn't been here for a minute. He's only a year into his shit. So the second year or so. But I mean, obviously he's got some pool. I bet he could say right now that he wants out if he really wanted to. You know what I mean? So that's how much that's how good he is.

Raider Wil (43:52.324)
Yeah.

Raider Wil (43:57.839)
So, I agree. And Travis says, Red and Carol is our biggest offensive issue. It all starts with him. And he says, can we get Jack Del Rio back? man, to bring back some stability to the Raiders. Wouldn't that be nice? But at the same time,

Matty B (44:15.953)
Hey, I heard this room going around. Let me ask this to you. That writer Travis that we just said. OK, let me ask you this. How you feel about what about the rumors going around about Mike Tomlin? How you feel about him? Would you bring him over?

Raider Wil (44:21.549)
Yeah, yeah.

Raider Wil (44:33.826)
hey chat, if you're in the chat right now, I want you to answer that. Do you bring Mike Tomlin right now if he becomes available? Let us know.

Matty B (44:42.969)
Or even as a coordinator. Do you think you could bring him over as a coordinator too? You know, or would he be a head coach guy?

Raider Wil (44:47.044)
I don't think he comes over, he wants to be a head coach, I don't think he'll come over as a coordinator. But as a head coach, I think he would, man. I think that would be a crazy, crazy upgrade. I think us bringing in a guy like that would definitely bring stability to the organization.

Matty B (45:02.584)
Yeah, I mean, you would have to let him pick his staff, man. He would have to pick his OC. He'd have to pick everybody, man. He'd have to, in my opinion, I think he would have to pick his DC, his OC, everybody that he's going to be working with in that building and build it from there. I think that's how he would do it.

Raider Wil (45:13.752)
Yeah, absolutely.

Raider Wil (45:23.916)
I agree with you. Now. All right, man.

Malcolm talk about Malcolm Coons. I'm gonna tell you like this about Malcolm Coons Malcolm Coons we made a mistake Why didn't we try chase on? Why didn't we sign chase on? Chase on is blowing up for the freaking Patriots having a great season and here we are again Looking for max is partner. Are you kidding me, man?

I wish Malcolm Coons would turn it around. hope you turn it around. I hope you get your shit together, but at $12 million, I'm sorry, Malcolm, you're gone.

Done.

Hey, look at this. Big Luck says he would not bring in Coach.

Raider Wil (46:26.969)
Travis is like, why not? I'm with you Travis. Big luck. Hit me with some information on why you would not bring in Mike Tomlin to the Raiders right now. I'll be like, it seems to me like it's a win-win, but you might have some information that we don't know.

Matty B (46:44.151)
Yeah, I think I mean, it's either that or if there's an upcoming OC or DC that you guys would think that would be suitable, that you think that you could be behind for another couple of years, that you could let develop a team. You know, if you see someone like that, shoot us, shoot us something, you know, let us know.

Raider Wil (47:04.767)
Yeah, absolutely. Yo, so Matt, we're coming up towards the end of the show here. You know, we do just a quick hour on Thursdays, guys. So make sure you guys stay tuned in on every Thursday that we do a quick hour. Yo, what are your keys to victory? For our Raiders this weekend versus the most hated Denver fucking Doncos.

Matty B (47:30.199)
Man, keys to victory this weekend, I I think. Unity to this weekend is the keyword. think unity is the keyword this weekend. I think we got to learn how to play together. Um, I think we got to learn how to be a team this week. Um, and just get over the adversity that we've gone through the last 14, 13 games. know what I mean? So, um, we got it. We got to come out with some fire this weekend. We got to show people that.

Where, you know, we might be out, but you know what, we're still, we're still in it. We're still fighting. Wish no, we're not just rolling over and giving up, you know, because everything's going to crap. You know, maybe we are this close. and hopefully we get over that hump this week. And, you know, special teams, we gotta get, we gotta get good on special teams. gotta get Brandon Carroll. He's gotta get, he's gotta get on the same page with, Olson, you know, let's, figure out the run game.

because that's going to be the biggest issue this game, think in my opinion, is going to be the run game. But preaching unity this weekend to everybody on that one. So, we'll see what happens.

Raider Wil (48:41.317)
Absolutely. So, Raider Travis says, I'm a strong believer that we should have given Basashi a full year. He finished a year with the playoff team and then McDoophis tore it apart. And then, Big Luck says, here's his response. The reason he doesn't bring in Tomlin, not to rebuild. If we had what we needed, absolutely. But we need so much, we have to buy in on a younger coach.

UQB and our current rookie contracts. Hey, I like it. I mean, like you're making a lot of sense there, my man. Making a lot of sense. I love it. I love it. Big luck. Raider Travis is key to victory. Tackle, tackle, tackle, tackle, tackle, tackle. Absolutely.

Matty B (49:15.88)
Okay.

Matty B (49:28.538)
Yes, yes, yes, yes. I agree with you. I could have said that too, man. Ooh, that was a good one.

Raider Wil (49:35.909)
Hey, I'm going to give you my three keys.

First of all, first key to victory is gonna go by, like you said, we need unity, we need strength together, we need to fight for each other. One key to victory is we have to find a solution to the run game. It's inadequate for us to have 31 rushing yards in a game. Bro, we have been held 10 games in a row without reaching 100 yards rushing.

What team in the NFL do you know wins without rushing the football?

Raider Wil (50:19.885)
And number three, I'm with big luck. We got to tackle everything. We got to tackle guys, grandmas. We got to tackle dads, moms, grandmas, aunts, cousins, sister. It doesn't matter who comes through that line. We need to wrap up, squeeze, take them down and be physical at the point of attack. That's simple.

Those are my three keys to victory and that's the last thing we're going to do today brother. Hey, give me that.

Raider Wil (50:56.612)
game.

Matty B (51:03.439)
Are you there? What did you say? Yeah.

Raider Wil (51:03.877)
You hear me? Yeah, can you hear me? give me that score prediction, my brother.

Matty B (51:09.073)
Score prediction? Oh man, I think it's gonna be a tight game. think again, this could be a, every game is a division game, could be a trap game. I think Denver's do for a loss, man. And hopefully we can give it to them this weekend. So I'm gonna go another, I'm gonna say it's a little higher scoring than the last one. So I'm gonna go.

I'm gonna go 21, 24, Raiders.

Raider Wil (51:45.349)
I'm gonna go 24 to 10 Broncos. I know I bet it's a tough thing to say, but right now we're just not it, man. We just don't got the juice. Big luck, that's 27 to three donkeys. Raider Travis is asking, what's the odds of Geno Smith going three games with no interceptions? I said zero.

Matty B (52:12.943)
Three games with no interceptions? I don't think he's... No, he had an interception last week. Remember the one that bounced off the dude and went out of bounds and...

Raider Wil (52:15.493)
Yeah, this would be...

Raider Wil (52:22.297)
Well, what's the odds? What's the odds of him throwing no interceptions in three games?

Matty B (52:27.049)
What are the odds of him throwing no inters? Okay, I'm sorry my bad, dude. I was thinking all kinds of weird shit

Raider Wil (52:34.223)
Yeah, I like what so what's your odds on that? I put zero Absolutely none. I'd be like I expect you to submit to throw more interceptions and touchdowns this year

Matty B (52:44.367)
Yep, yep, yep. He has proven that already, man. So, uh, I don't think that's changing any either. So it's been one interception every game since the first game.

Raider Wil (53:00.581)
That's wild, man. So for me, like...

Matty B (53:01.465)
Hey, what are the odds that we don't give up any sacks this game?

Raider Wil (53:06.757)
Oh, there you go, Raider Travis. Big luck. What's the odds that we don't give up any sax this game? Chat, let me know for me. I'm gonna tell you right now. That's zero percent. That's zero percent. I'd be like if you look.

Matty B (53:07.274)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Matty B (53:19.052)
You

For some reason I thought you were gonna say zero. I knew you were gonna say zero. You were gonna be zero.

Raider Wil (53:25.507)
Dude, it zero, bro. I'll be like, literally, we're giving up so many sacks right now that I thought Myles Garrett was going to have an MVP season just against us by himself.

Matty B (53:35.148)
All right, one more for you. What are the odds of us getting over 50 yards with Ashton Gentry this week?

Raider Wil (53:46.669)
RIPPY?

Matty B (53:47.444)
Over 50. How many games has he had over 50 this year? It ain't very many. We put it at a low bar. We're setting the bar low. I could have said 100.

Raider Wil (53:51.205)
Not too many.

Raider Wil (53:58.269)
I'm saying you got 50 % chance that Ascengenti will get over 50 yards. How embarrassing is that? Big luck is like negative 10.

Hey, it says technically Gino didn't throw an interception though. It was off the hands. Right or Travis? You're right. It hit him in the hands, but statistically still counts against Gino.

Matty B (54:19.272)
Don't matter though. I don't matter.

Matty B (54:28.972)
Yep. Yep.

Raider Wil (54:31.247)
Big luck says 25 % on Gentie going for over 50 yards for the game.

Matty B (54:36.766)
Ooh, 25%, okay, so he's doing a little bit less than what you gave him.

Raider Wil (54:41.125)
Yeah, he's saying 25 % and this is 50 yards. This is

Matty B (54:43.36)
was going to say right around 25 % well, somewhere around 25 % too, but I wasn't giving him much.

Raider Wil (54:52.138)
man, that's terrible. That is so, so bad.

Matty B (54:54.7)
That's three different outcomes, man. we couldn't get over, we couldn't get over, we'll go 25%. We couldn't get over 25 % on any of them.

Raider Wil (55:09.893)
All right, man. I appreciate you, Matty B, for coming on the show. Guys, I appreciate you all for listening. Make sure you guys like, share, subscribe. Hey, man, let people know that we're out here putting in work. And family, thank you guys always for supporting us, man. Thank you guys for coming in the chat. I love you guys, man. All love. I'll see you guys tomorrow for the Cheeto and Will show at 1230. We will be live again Sunday night after the game. Next Thursday, we'll be live doing this.

Silver and Black Radio podcast on Tuesday. Most notorious pod. You already know what it is. And Raider Travis, before we go, he says four or five sacks. Gentie is going to break through the line somewhere for a 50 yard plus gain. Woo, here we go, baby. I love it. I love it. And he goes,

Matty B (55:56.893)
I don't know.

Matty B (56:03.699)
REEEE

Raider Wil (56:04.459)
What?

Raider Wil (56:08.421)
Hey, baby, thank you so much. Please like, share, subscribe guys. And at the end of the day, it's all about one nation. It's all about one team. It's all about the Raiders.

Matty B (56:17.845)
RAINBOW!