The Most Notorious Podcast: Raider Nation Still Shows Up

Summary

In this episode, the hosts and special guests from the Raider Nation discuss their experiences during a recent game watch party, reflecting on the community spirit and camaraderie among fans. They delve into the team's performance, analyzing the disappointing game against the Chiefs and expressing their frustrations with coaching decisions and player performances. The conversation shifts towards future prospects for the team, emphasizing the need for leadership and strategic changes to improve the team's culture and performance. In this conversation, the speakers engage in a heated debate about the value of Max Crosby to the Raiders, discussing his leadership, the importance of team continuity, and the implications of trading him. They explore the team's current state, the necessity of draft picks, and the potential for a complete rebuild. The conversation highlights differing opinions on whether trading Crosby would benefit the team or hinder its progress.

Takeaways

The community spirit among Raider fans is strong and uplifting.
Game day experiences can be both fun and disappointing depending on team performance.
Special guests at events enhance the fan experience and create lasting memories.
Frustrations with coaching decisions can lead to calls for change within the team.
Player performance directly impacts fan morale and expectations.
Leadership in the locker room is crucial for team success.
Fans are eager for a turnaround in the team's performance and culture.
The importance of addressing team needs in the off-season is emphasized.
Fans express a desire for stability in coaching staff to build a successful team.
The conversation highlights the emotional investment fans have in their team.  Max Crosby is invaluable as a leader in the locker room.
Continuity is essential for the team's success.
Trading Max Crosby could set the team back significantly.
Draft picks are important, but they are not guaranteed successes.
The team needs to build around a strong quarterback.
Rebuilding the team should not mean trading away key players.
Max Crosby's contract is not hurting the team's salary cap.
The Raiders have the financial flexibility to keep Crosby.
The team's current struggles are not solely Crosby's fault.
A complete rebuild may not be the best solution for the Raiders.

Chapters

00:00 Welcome to Raider Nation
05:27 Game Day Shenanigans
12:25 Special Guests and Community Spirit
20:15 Reflections on the Game
31:20 Analyzing the Team's Performance
51:42 Future Prospects and Changes Needed
58:49 The Value of Max Crosby
01:01:22 Building Team Continuity
01:03:16 Assessing the Trade Value of Max Crosby
01:09:18 The Importance of Draft Picks
01:15:18 The Debate on Rebuilding the Team
01:19:40 The Future of the Raiders
01:42:29 The Need for a Complete Rebuild

Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:00.13)
don't want you on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:08.05)
What is up Raider Nation welcome back to the most notorious podcast with your hosts myself 401 Raider Jeff. Way over to the far right is Leo Cheetalinus below him is James. We've got a couple of special guests with us tonight. We've got Israel from the Lovelock chapter and we've got Mr. Raider Chavez from the Sacramento chapter. We're taking part in a big event on Sunday for a Game Watch party.

Oh, it was right a will

Speaker 2 (01:32.429)
both were

Speaker 3 (01:38.211)
shenanigans but before we get into that what's going on guys how you doing

I have

Hey, what's going on?

How's everybody doing after this weekend's game? Such a busting game to watch.

I'm happy it's a bye week this week.

Speaker 2 (01:56.226)
the

need a break.

Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:08.917)
It's still early, still early. It's only Tuesday.

still early. Yeah, talk to me Thursday. We'll see if we'll win the bye.

But we know what you two guys did on Sunday. Will, what did you do Sunday for the game? What were you doing?

I fucking cried bro like a bitch in the corner because we got a freaking ass whoop. I'd be like, we had our watch party man, but it wasn't a watch party. It was a fucking funeral because we got buried out there in Kansas City. mean like, I'll be like, it's hard man. And you know what? At the end of the day, I give my people credit because you get, and you guys know, I mean like most of you guys had a watch party.

And when you got people going out and spending their hard earned money and come in and spending their Sunday afternoon with you and you're with your crew, but your team don't show up, it's tough, man. It's just tough all over.

Speaker 3 (03:05.912)
Blair, what'd you do Sunday?

Speaker 3 (03:14.926)
Can you not hear me?

the the the

to play.

Speaker 8 (03:24.942)
I'm at and I had a we

Speaker 2 (03:45.41)
And then we went down 14-0 and it was just all downhill from there. You were hanging out with who? Predator. And who else? We were with the Los Rudos. Los Rudos. Los Rudos, cabrón. They are right. Come on, Guero.

the

Don't worry, James, I'm Mexican. I'm no better than you saying that word.

Damn.

Don't ask me to pronunciate certain things because and me and Jay they bust my balls big time every time I try

Speaker 2 (04:20.321)
Leo.

Speaker 1 (04:23.79)
Yeah, I heard you try to say manuelo.

Now

Exactly. Exactly how you just said it.

You started the pronunciation war Jeff when you had us pronounce stuff from New England

You guys butchered the living shit out of that stuff. was the best part about having you guys, everybody coming out here from the West Coast trying to pronunciate some of the town that will was doing it constantly. Every time you try and say a city or a state, I mean, the city or a town, forget it.

Speaker 2 (04:40.622)
great

Speaker 2 (04:52.526)
It's the alphabet bro, they got alphabet cities out there you're like Chikapawa I'm like I don't speak no Indian bro. Come on now. I'm like I'm brown

Well, we tend not to use a lot of the alphabets, a lot of the words, the letters in the alphabet. So, let's talk about what you guys did this weekend. You guys had your shindig and shenanigans. So all you guys have at it.

All I gotta say is the Black Hole is undefeated. Raiders may not win games, but Black Hole is undefeated. I so look forward to every time I get to hang with our brothers and sisters nationwide and to have everybody come out and support our chapter on Sunday. It was beautiful. We had a great time. Yeah, I know the game sucked, but that doesn't take away from everything we did.

Raffle went really good. Everybody got on the mic.

music was going, we all mingled, we all had a good time. I don't know what to say, we took a lot of pictures. Saturday night, the people that came into town early, we went out to Shenanigans that night too. There was a live band playing and they fucking loved us. They were sitting there, they kept going, Raiders. So we started yelling Raiders back. They're like, Raider Nation's in the house. It was just a random band that we didn't even know was gonna be performing.

Speaker 1 (06:29.87)
They were giving us love all night and it was just great. was such a great weekend. Met some people I haven't met before, had some people show up that comment on these podcasts all the time. I don't know what else to say. mean, it was great. Yeah.

the the

I wanna get some sleep. That was like, that was angel. Dark malls like, man, we can keep going to the morning. I said, you can keep going to the morning. I'll see you in the morning.

the

Speaker 1 (07:25.934)
Dark Dark ma had a great time. I was just talking to him yesterday and he's just like man I'm off on the weekends. I'm coming back up there again. He's like that's great. That was great. He's like, I'm not gonna forget my mat

Does he live in Las Vegas or is he? Yeah, he lives in Vegas. right?

And I see Rachel commenting, Rachel made it out too. It was so nice to have her and her daughter out there. she finally, I've talked to her so much about Sacramento. It was so nice for her to actually finally come out and get to see it for herself. So I hope I made her proud. Hope I you proud, Rachel.

that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (08:02.357)
Big Easy was up there too, huh?

Speaker 2 (08:07.054)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, he didn't. He didn't make it. No, he didn't make it. No, no, try to get when I was in Port of, I try to give him to go up. There he is. Hey, what's going on? What's up, What's

This is

Speaker 3 (08:25.902)
going on. I did a little something today. It's real and Steve sent me a bunch of pitches and videos and everything so I put a little thing together so we're gonna put it up right now so you guys can see everything that went on this weekend.

heartfelt music with it too. I want to see the song he chose. You guys are going to see a difference between East Coast Raiders or West Coast Raiders.

I only have certain songs I can I can use and I put together

the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the

Some fans aren't.

Speaker 1 (09:29.472)
You know what I love too though? You know what I love too though is when we do have get togethers like this or even when I see Leo or I see Will, guys that I really don't see that often, I see Israel all the time. I'm used to that. But guys that I don't see, guys I see that often. Because of this podcast, because of how much we communicate, it's like we see each other every week when we're together. That's what I like.

Yeah, that's true.

That's right.

man, look at how fancy!

What I say is music.

Speaker 2 (10:09.294)
I feel like it's back in 1990.

Speaker 5 (10:26.456)
Hey, look what's going on.

Speaker 2 (10:34.04)
Raider Pearl

I don't know. There's AA long.

Speaker 5 (10:51.054)
Somebody had

Speaker 2 (10:55.816)
Damn son!

That wasn't even everybody.

Speaker 2 (11:04.62)
chapters got together.

That wasn't even everybody, not everybody wanted to get in the picture.

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Choppers.

Bye.

Speaker 2 (11:17.646)
I'm

Speaker 2 (11:34.862)
Oh Cheeto can get down man, you ain't seen him break it? Cheeto can get down! Carmen follows along bro!

Speaker 2 (11:48.832)
man.

Speaker 1 (11:54.67)
Yeah, right there, that girl's point is

Speaker 2 (12:02.476)
there was more people outside yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:14.214)
Yes sir, love this dude.

the

You know, I forgot to add in, we had Vance Miller there doing a did a signing. I gotta say, I know he's not a big name and this and that, but that dude was probably one of the best signings we ever had. That guy was awesome. He was having a good time hanging out with us. He walked around, talked to everybody. He was dancing, singing. His wife was talking to my wife forever. He talked to my daughters for a while. He just, he came and just had a good time. He didn't just sit there and say, hey,

I'm just going to sign and this is that. Two hours, okay, I'm out of here. No, he came and actually enjoyed himself and kicked it with us. He was super cool. Talk to anybody that wanted to come up and talk to him and just, he was super cool, man. I'm going to definitely have him back again.

You had that photography there too.

Speaker 1 (13:15.05)
and so for 25 years, Tony Gonzalez took all the pictures for the Raiders. So any pictures you saw on the websites or anything that the Raiders.com or anything posted, it was all Tony Gonzalez. And we had him, we had him there and it just happened to be, was raffling off one of the pictures that he took, not knowing that he was going to be there. So it's a picture that was hanging up in the Coliseum in one of the suites.

So it was a good size. It was pretty big. And he came up and signed it. So whoever, the person that won it got a sign signed by Tony Gonzalez, the guy that took the photo. It was when Janikowski tied for the 63 yard field goal. That's the photo. And he had a great time. He's like, I'm coming back. He's like, I love you guys. This was great. He's like, I'm definitely come hang out with you guys again. So it was super cool to meet him. 25 years, he was a photographer for the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (14:14.466)
He was a cool dude. Like I said, I met him a couple of different times. The last time I met him was up in Buffalo. And he was sitting there with Tom Flores having dinner right at a restaurant sitting outside of downtown Buffalo. A real cool dude too.

And that wasn't planned. He just ended up there.

What's he been doing?

Speaker 3 (14:40.812)
Curious Now Rachel did answer you to by the way while that was playing She said very proud

Hey, James, what's your videos? I? Put some stuff in the chat. I don't know Jeff has You put one picture of him in a picture. I saw one picture. would have his bottle Instagram pictures. I shared a video post too but

Speaker 2 (15:22.67)
Alright, sir. Hey, man, Sacramento was a... Let's just put it this way. When the, One picture? That's not a video. That's a picture. There's a fucking video under it, Will. You fucking old fart.

you

Speaker 3 (15:43.886)
Oh, I wouldn't use that!

Speaker 2 (15:48.844)
video.

Speaker 3 (16:00.846)
Yeah

One

Speaker 2 (16:15.822)
that was that was the most I was there honestly like really wants to ask kicking comments. really caused a lot of people like disperse really. Alright, those those those ones once it started getting like ugly. man, it was was gross to that. Huh? Man, you want you want to know what Sacramento did when it got ugly. That was we to go. We just kept going.

yeah

Speaker 1 (16:41.198)
the

I got the last minute memo that Predator was coming into town so I showed up so Predator had someone else on TBH there.

That was my

the main reason for going as soon as that thing hit halftime. don't remember the second half. I didn't even watch it. I was just running around. That's good. It's like I don't remember it either. He's like, Yeah, we want to pay attention until we finally get a different quarterback at five minutes left in the fourth and he wants to fumble. What does he do the first time he touches the ball?

What?

Speaker 1 (17:09.752)
We're chillin'.

Speaker 2 (17:25.762)
to

Are we?

Speaker 3 (17:32.096)
James is awake now. Are we going?

the

There you go.

I say it was a blast. It was dope. It was good. It was fun. You what mean? We had fun. We enjoyed it. My two members that went with us, they were just like on the way back, they're like, man, that's a total different experience. I was like, yep. I was this is just a taste of it. I go, wait until we get together next year. go with all the seven chapters, you know, at the barbecue. So Cal, I'll be there next year. Hey, hey. I'll make it rain. You know, it's actually more than that because I come in from Colorado. We bring in people from Arizona.

Red

Speaker 2 (18:15.286)
I'll like, it's the Tombowder chapter that coming up is alive, so come on now. shoot. Cheeto? No, he brings the moves, he brings the energy, he brings the merchandise. I'd be like, what doesn't Cheeto No, no, no, not that. I bring that that I'm working. I'm not about to have a car. No merchandise. If I start wandering off when we're selling, yells at me, boy. Hey.

the

Speaker 1 (18:39.95)
the

Lil, hey, can we pre-order and you bring up? Dad's different, dad's different. Always working, this man is always working.

Let's just say the merch will be in the trunk. He's just not gonna be set up.

that. Leo, you still selling the Pete Carroll shirts? Man, this is why. You guys can sell stuff. I want you to pay attention. You sell shit when it's hot, right? You don't hold onto it thinking you're gonna make more later. Cause I have these Pete Carroll shirts. If I was to release them right now, I couldn't give them away. I have to rethink the LA takeover now. I'm just gonna do legends.

Yeah, I'm just gonna do legends. Maybe by then we're competing. We're competing for the first round pick. Yeah, that's I was gonna say. Competing for the first round pick.

Speaker 1 (19:43.5)
We don't even have that right now.

Yeah. Archman might as just we might as well just stop while we're ahead because what did you say? Archman? Get out of here bro. No, he doesn't bro. This is this is why this is why do you see this? We're buying it for the name for the guys. Here we go now. Hey Israel. How was your time in Sacramento? Let's move on from that. I hope you had fun. I had we got we got we got to

Eight dinner Saturday hung out. Hit up Steven was at 6-7 o'clock. We all linked up with the shenanigans had a blast there. Then comes game day. We had a blast. There was one Kansas City fan there.

One can't be better than

Reno Brada. I can't tell him like, hey man, you might have won the game. I don't know if you want to go out to that parking lot right now. It was a blast, but we had we had fun. Steven put on a man. Hospitality, everything there. Steven did man. It was off the chain. All right, so I'll be back next year over there. I mean, can't go wrong in sack with a watch party with TBH family. Central Valley popped up.

Speaker 2 (21:07.628)
Bay Area was there. Reno showed up, think, six or seven people. Yeah, it was cool, man. You know, it was like I said, and come halftime, I didn't even pay. I didn't pay attention to that game whatsoever. I forgot we were playing.

Shout out to Raider Goddess, Darkmall, all those guys that came out to, for a Vita of Raider, all those guys that came out. Glenn, Glenn, was awesome. He had a good time, him and his son, you know, so we actually, Raider Goddess's boyfriend actually signed up as a member. So, we actually got six signups on Sunday and he was wonderful. So that was not, yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:12.238)
the

Speaker 2 (22:19.054)
the

as you guys know James is so negative I love

Speaker 1 (23:01.058)
running.

Speaker 2 (23:17.422)
not, don't believe. even drink. Well, you think this is here for decoration? Yeah, hey, well, you know, it's crazy.

to bring out the TBH glass.

You did a home opener last year, remember Will? And I bought you a case of non-alcoholic. Yeah. Like literally, bro. Like my boys always take care of me, bro. Like they show up with their beers and then I get my non-alcoholics right there with it. So that's all good. Hey, Steven. Was it you? I don't know. I was kind of just walking by. I think when I heard you say it. Did you get a Niner Fan to sign up?

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:52.876)
I did get a Niner fan to sign up like two weeks ago. He signed up for the black hole.

Thank you.

last time you were on with us, didn't

Yeah, he loved our he loved our watch party so much he comes all the time and he's just like I want to be a member He's like I go out there to Vegas and I like to go to the games out there So I'll become a member because I like to hang out with you guys and I'll stay at Golden Nugget use the discounts He's all he's all hell. Yeah Don't honor fan

We can get we could do that we could do that get a Raiders jersey

Speaker 1 (24:27.83)
I told him, told him, you know, it's a Raider fan base, but you want to sign up? I'm not going to tell you no.

Just real quick want to just yell a shout out to the chat. I know we didn't address the chat when we started tonight But thank you everybody for being in here with us. We do appreciate everybody being in here Make sure you hit those likes the subs Notifications on all the channels that are sharing right now, which is mine wills at silver and black podcast Leo at cheetah linus Make sure you guys go through and hit that up because you to check in on every Tuesday night with us when he updates on black hole Watch parties

We've got some stuff coming up for some games. I've got some info that I'm to give later on on the Philly game because I will be going to that.

will. Yeah, man, we got info for everything. We got info for Denver. got info. We got info. We got info for next May.

the

Speaker 2 (25:29.794)
Hotel

info for the Super Bowl and the draft.

Let's go. Yeah. I'm glad you brought it And I'm going to ask you, because you're up north, are you guys doing something for the Super Bowl? Because it's up there.

I haven't had anybody bring it up to me. But that's something me and Cisco and I will have to talk about. would be good idea for him and I to do something.

Please

Speaker 2 (26:00.75)
What's bigger shenanigans or Ricky's?

square footage-wise.

Square footage wise, Ricky's is bigger. Definitely.

Now there's more popping because your voice is DJ.

Speaker 1 (26:17.206)
I mean, Cisco has a DJ there too. If get everybody out to Ricky's, it'll be popping. Ricky's will let us set up outside too, if we have to. Set up canopies and shit.

If

Speaker 2 (26:31.246)
I'd down to go up north for a Super Bowl watch party. For the Bad Bunny concert,

If we're doing a Super Bowl watch party, have to keep giving love to the spot that I do mine at Shenanigan. So we'll definitely be doing one at Shenanigan.

about it. Yeah, Jess, got 90 days to learn Spanish. If you guys do a Super Bowl party, halftime, hey, the halftime show is going to be Israel.

the the

What?

Speaker 2 (27:20.718)
Hey, that's just real cool, man.

I haven't met Leo, but I heard him do a show with you and Will, right? Yeah.

Yeah, I got him in touch with Will. Leo's awesome. you can call him many times. Yeah, definitely. No, he will, too. He likes doing this stuff. He likes getting on. He'll do a podcast with you. He'll do any of that, man. He likes talking to Raider Nation, and he's super down to earth. Really good dude. I call him every couple weeks just to touch bases with him and just say, how's he doing? And ask how his family's doing and stuff. So good guy.

Same name, come on now.

Speaker 2 (27:59.846)
Damn, James, is that a cup from Oakland? Oh, thought it I'm a little old plastic cup, so he used to have it with Coliseum. That's what that reminded me of, the cup. It's glass, though. It's cool. I know. Uh-huh. It looks like it. Amazon.

Speaker 2 (28:24.704)
and next year. One in Arizona. There was gonna be big Arizona and Santa Clara. The big ones next season.

the

Hey, I'll be there.

I hate dealing with Niner fans, but.

we were talking about that on the phone when I was telling you I didn't have that many games planned and then Steve started popping games up and I was like, oh wait, yeah, I gotta go. Got about Arizona here already. We already have pitched in money for Airbnb for next year in Arizona. I'm like, oh damn, I forgot about that. Yeah, I'm going to Arizona for sure next year. Yeah, I'm going go see that. I'm probably going do a live from Arizona next year.

Speaker 1 (28:55.438)
Africa

Speaker 1 (29:12.768)
I agree with Carmen Niners tailgate area sucks their stadiums, but but you know what? We need to pay them back because they come in All that we see a red in our stadium. We need to turn it around on them We need to really try to do something and try to black out the Niners stadium. It's gonna be hard but

I heard you

Speaker 2 (29:36.238)
the- the- the-

Don't be hard, but we should try.

Speaker 1 (29:54.168)
That doesn't stop us in LA.

mean the Niners suck too but they suck some different. Colorado's gonna come. Colorado's everywhere. I was in Boston. I'm still waiting for the IE to go hit up Boston too. But I'll see you in H-Town, right? I'll be there.

be any. Yeah, let's just get into it. James, go ahead, bro. Just stop waiting.

Speaker 2 (30:38.67)
So, as we are.

I swear though, I swear though, if you say Shador- if you say Shador Sanders, if you say Shador Sanders, I'm gonna fuckin' hang up.

Speaker 2 (31:20.162)
Because that's the only thing to call it. Just absolutely felt two ass. You know when you show up, when you showed up from school and you had that bad report card and you got your ass whooped in the bedroom, damn near immediately, that's exactly what the Raiders got. I mean, it was just from top to bottom, it was just a bad day. The play calling was just bad. Only six carries for Ash and Gentie, the entire game is unacceptable.

It makes no sense. We got into a pass happy game. It seemed like from almost like the first drive, we were just throwing the ball, throwing the ball, throwing the ball. You know, I really think Chip Kelly was just his play calling on offense just look plain, plain vanilla. Look more fucking just vanilla than ever. And it was just predictable. You know, eventually the chiefs did what the chiefs do. They dialed up that pressure. Chris Jones.

and

Speaker 2 (32:18.84)
You know, just kind of started manhandling, having his way with our entire offensive line, pretty much the whole game. I mean, it didn't matter who the hell he was going against, he was going through them, even JPJ. So it was just an awesome day.

awful long

Speaker 2 (32:36.834)
You know, if you know the Raider fans that watch this game, you know how excited you were when you got a first down this game because there wasn't many. Let me just say that much. Yeah, exactly. Only three first down. So I mean, yeah, it was just bad to not even get in the field goal range to not even like sniff the red zone.

We've only got over the 50 odd line one time

the the

I didn't

Yeah, you know, I mean it was just. Yeah, it was just it was just a rough game on defense. You know a lot of missed opportunities. You know I saw we had a fumble that we didn't recover. We had like three different tipped balls and with the same drive and nobody was able to come down with the ball. I mean it's just you know it's just unexplainable. You know I mean the best way I can explain how the game. I the best way I can explain how the game went on Sunday. It was just.

Speaker 2 (33:53.486)
a lot of just missed opportunity. A few opportunities we had, we didn't capitalize on any of them and the offense just couldn't get anything going. So by the, you know, with the defense being out there so much, I mean, the defense is pretty, obviously it becomes ineffective because they played damn near 85, 90 % of the game. You know, I mean, I'm pretty sure Gino Smith completed more cups of Gatorade fucking drink than he did passes. So.

Speaker 2 (34:22.958)
I'm just gonna leave it there. Who wants to go next? Let's pass it.

Speaker 2 (34:29.326)
I think it was. I told the guys this on Wednesday. I heard, Pete Carroll said this is not a rivalry game. minute I heard him say this is not a rivalry game, I knew this team was fucking dead. You do not go into Chiefs week not thinking it's just another game, bro. This is more than just another game. And what pissed me off the most,

What?

Speaker 2 (34:58.594)
was on the presser, the first thing he said, I did not see this coming. Like he had to be the only one. Like every one of us who here was worried about that happening. And that's what we didn't want to happen. And we hope Pete would have lit a fire under their ass to show some heart and at least put up a fight. But to come out here and say, I didn't see that happening.

Speaker 2 (35:25.388)
The band belongs in the fucking nursing home. He really does. I'm on Will to mel him his glasses because he needs something. He's losing it. And then they come out and say Gino had a good game. He's getting better.

And then when they asked him about why you bench JPJ, that's what he sounded like. And that's why I can't stand this man right now, bro. Garbage. It's garbage to me. that, yeah, you told me, see now. But man, I think that to me is the most frustrating part. I didn't expect this to win. I picked this because I'm a Raider fan, right?

but to get your ass whooped like that by your most heated rival, right? And not show any heart. I mean, anyone across the fucking board, even with Max, like there was just no intensity that we're gonna punch these dudes in the mouth. I was like, bro, this is what you get. I mean, somebody should have gotten a fighter's hump then it made it some type of interesting, like nothing.

Yeah, but I'm gonna take is it man Gino is a bitch. All right further Did you see that fucking faggot Run, he had only four yards to get a fucking first down And he wants that he wants to go cuddle on the ground. What the fuck was that? He collapsed. I ran at the line of scrimmage

Did you see the other one?

Speaker 2 (37:01.932)
where he was.

he was going back to throw the ball like he was going back and it was stance to throw the ball and they were coming at him and he just dropped he just threw it at the feet of I forget who it was he just

It's to be a screen and mayor got lit up. yeah.

Well, like, he couldn't have done anything else. mean, he couldn't have moved and nothing. He just just kind of like went absolute like that, like even through a kind of limp wrist. And it's like, what the hell is this guy doing? It was horrible.

Yeah, that was

Speaker 1 (37:28.622)
You know, I'm going to, I'm going to say this. I understand the Raiders are playing bad. It's a horrible season, this and that, but the name calling this and that I'm sorry, Gino Smith in the last three years at a pro ball, he won 10 games a couple of years in a row. He he's been a good quarterback. I'm sorry. He's playing terrible. I'll tell you, I'll be the first one to tell you he's playing terrible, but to just call him names, say he's trash and that

Just throw Pete Carroll out and say this stuff about him when that guy's been proven all his career. mean, his career in Seattle started off rock and he turned that team around. You got to give them a chance. This team's just not what they thought it was at the beginning of the season. Everybody's being evaluated. You got to give them till this off season to see what they could do and see if they could turn it around and see who they draft, who they bring in a free agency.

If we're, if four games in the next year, we're seeing the same thing we're seeing right now, then I'm with you. I'm like, they're done. It's time. It's time to go. time to move on, but we're in this position because we keep saying fire this guy, fire this guy, get rid of this guy, do this. we've done it three years in a row. GM and coach. And we start over every time we do that. Nobody's had a chance to really put a team together. And I mean,

I'm not saying fire Pete my whole thing was is The way they went about doing it telling us it's not a repo we're in win now So we now right

What is he supposed

Speaker 1 (39:07.34)
But every coat

Most coaches are every coach is going to tell you that when they're trying to win every coach is telling you they're

I'm not not trying to win, but to say that this team is ready to win. I've won 10 games, bro.

I really think they believed they were. And I think that changed. I think they really do believe they thought they were inheriting a decent roster. I don't think they thought they were gonna win the Super Bowl with this team. But I really think they believed that. That's why they kept the offensive line the way it was. Because offensive line by the end of the next year, they changed it. That wasn't good.

Huh?

Speaker 3 (39:50.946)
Vane O'Connell's in the chat talking to you. He says, don't defend Gino, he's ass.

Hi.

I'm not saying that he should be our starter the rest of the season. But to just say that it wasn't a good idea to pick him up, yeah, now you can say that because it's been shit. his track record the last three years, with what we had a chance to get this year, that was good. What we're gonna do start Aiden O'Connell, you think he would have been better? But at this point, I highly doubt that because he looked terrible in the preseason.

on him either.

And I will say, I am not as happy with Chip Kelly's play calling. I don't know if it's because he just doesn't have the weapons or he doesn't trust the line or if it's actually his play calling. But if anybody at the end of the season does get tanked, it might be him. I think Pete Carroll's safe. They're going to let him see what he can do in the off season.

Speaker 1 (40:57.006)
But then again, you're paying the guy $6 million. So you just cut him. mean, Mark Davis isn't Mark Davis isn't scared to pay these guys. He'll do whatever it takes. He wants to win. So. So no, no, that guy, that guy, puts his money where the mouth is. It just hasn't worked.

Don't Mark. Don't blame Mark!

Speaker 2 (41:16.302)
Do we keep Gino next year? No, I've been like you're not gonna see him next year You know why I tell you how to play calling because when you have the one guy who can actually play rock Our offense look better because he can actually make shit happen. He can run the routes the way they're supposed to You relied on two fucking rookies Jacobi Myers who you're not gonna pay

I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (41:44.654)
So it's not a happy Jacobi Myers either. Right. You can sit here and tell me all you want. I'm here. I'm a professional, but he's not playing the same because you don't have that contract. And you expected them to run this complicated off when the only guy you have was Brock.

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (42:07.158)
I don't know dude do we that's why I don't know is it it is it Chip Kelly or is it just we just don't have the personnel and the people and the injuries that we have

So I'm gonna put it like this. I'll get the talent So let me ask you this even though you said hey, you know what? I don't feel like it's fair for us to be holding Pete Carroll accountable to a certain extent But Pete Carroll coming out also coming out and say we're gonna win and we're gonna win a lot That's his own and hold on He did his own undoing right so

What's that mean?

Speaker 2 (42:45.856)
Hey, when he comes out and he says that he's setting a president and I get it as a coach, you're always going to come out and say, Hey, we're here to win. We're here to build a structured program. We're here to change the culture. Right. And he didn't do that. He said, we're here to win. got the roster to do it, but now it's all these excuses coming up. And then the players that you drafted, the players that you have in place that you you're not using them. Tell me Ashton Gentile getting six carries.

is the best solution for a first round pick? Obviously not. And if you're the head coach and you're saying, hey, we're going to get them 25 carries this game and you got six. Well, you have to have the intestinal fortitude to go to talk to your offense coordinator and figure out what's going on and get on the same page. That's your job as the executive, as the manager, as the leader of the team.

And then when you're looking at it, Geno Smith's performance has been poor. Absolutely. And it's been a combination of things, man. It's not just because Geno is back there throwing in or sometimes the guys don't run the route. Sometimes he doesn't see the guy wide open. Sometimes he's getting a guy in his face faster than you can say Swiss cheese. Yeah. Yeah. So he's shell shocked. Yeah, absolutely. And do I say, Hey, it's unfair, but then why do you come out and say, that's why they pay me the big bucks.

that's why they paid me the money and that's the hard part Steve you know what I mean

No

Speaker 1 (44:19.81)
So I'm not saying I'm sorry, Danny. Are you, I'm not saying they don't deserve criticism, but I hate the calling someone a bitch or saying this or that it these, these guys worked hard to get to this point and had a track record to get to this point. You know what I mean? They deserve, they deserve, especially someone like Pete Carroll deserves.

Go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (44:49.258)
Respect for what he's done in the NFL and he deserves a chance to put a stamp on this team. Yes. Do they deserve criticism? Absolutely. Cause this has been shit. It's been a shit product up to this point. So I, they deserve all the criticism in the world. I'm just not in the boat of calling this guy this, calling this guy that, because we're, we're, we're going to sit here, name call Pete Carroll. But if next year he turns this thing around and it starts looking great.

It's like you just called them all this shit last year. I mean, give this guy a

and I will take accountability for it it does happen. I'll do that now.

And Gina, and I think with Gina, with Gino, maybe those three years in Seattle was just what it was and we're seeing who he really is because this is who he was before Seattle. And I think this experiment of all these old quarterbacks needs to be over. It's time to fucking draft somebody. I know James, he wanted Chador, this and that, we didn't do it.

the

Speaker 2 (46:00.812)
the last one about that. We need to dress a rookie quarterback and just.

We need to start doing something for the future.

I just want to rebut Will's a little bit here about with Ash and Genthe. It's hard to get him more than six touches when you only have 30 offensive plays and you only control the ball for 17 minutes and 52 seconds. And the other team controls the ball for over almost three quarters of the game. And also your chances to get him the ball are very limited and

when you're playing from behind and you're trying, gotta throw it more than anything. You're not gonna be able to get him the ball because you're forced to try and throw it too. So it was tough to get him as many.

Speaker 1 (46:56.462)
Why? Two,

Speaker 1 (47:12.334)
would went into this game and just been ashen, ashen, ashen, ashen and just hope, hope that it just something broke out at some point.

I just, I don't understand giving Ash and Jen to the ball. Damn near less than 20 % of your snaps. mean, to me that makes no sense. I want to rebuttal to, Hey, you're learning new words. on. I want to rebuttal to the name calling of Gino Smith. Look, we could, we could sit here and talk all fucking day about the great things Gino Smith's done.

say that three times.

Speaker 2 (47:49.474)
the great things Pete Carroll has done. But the fact of the matter is they are not doing it here. They're not. They're not doing it here. And there's no reason to believe that they're going to accomplish. So we're halfway through the season. We're not even halfway through the season. We're on our bye week and we're talking about what draft pick we're going to have already.

With Pete Carroll, there is a reason to think they will.

crazy. This is it's just been already but here's the thing. You kind of shut it off and you I I Steven when he said you do have to give this regime time. You know that and that and for me, I'm I'm I'm at 18 games. That's what I give every regime. I give them about 18 to 20 games after 18 to 20 games. If you can't put your your stamp on it, if you can't make a change in the culture, then you've been

You know what I mean? I mean, like in regular season games, I'm not talking like a, you know, like just that, that puts you at a season and a half somewhere around there. So at the end of the day, you have to give Pete time, but the Gino project, this whole Gino project thing, I think that, you know, project has to be, have to look at it. And at the same time, I'm going to ask this, why didn't we retool in this draft?

in this off season with this amount of salary cap with issues that we still had from last year and we didn't address in the off season last year. I'd be like that's my biggest problem, right? We saw all these issues that were happening from last year. We saw our offensive line issues. We saw our quarterback issues. We saw all these other issues. And I get it. Geno was supposed to be a stop plug-in player for a couple of years, but

Speaker 2 (49:44.056)
Can we be realistic, man? I really feel like we didn't address a lot of issues and that's why we're saying for it in the season. Who's he? Who's he? We, we, who, who's the one that should be, and I'm going to tell you the truth, right? At the end of the day, it's going to be spy tech and Pete Carroll because spy tech is the GM and Pete Carroll is the head coach. And I've been like, can you should be working together?

to come up with the plan for the players that you want and the players that you need. So I hold them both accountable. It's a we thing, it's a them. It's not just one. At the end of the day though, Spitech is the GM.

Yeah, we gotta get we gotta give them this off season

Yeah, it's my takes getting a pass and he shouldn't either he should be getting as much heat if not just as much as Pete Carroll He's the one to put this roster together down in the second round and got us a later wide receiver When it was a lockdown shutdown corner there for us to take and we need to like this then it's I feel like Pete is getting a lot more heat because he brought Gino Yeah, because he's Gino's my guy

Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:57.122)
And I'm going to ride with you. It's mostly here, right? At the same time as what? Yeah. And if you're the head coach, you're going to get most of the team. But my last coach, he got a lot of the heat too. Yeah. No.

Spitex well respected around this league. I think he's safer than anybody else on this roster right now. I think he'll be here longer than, I think Carol would go before they got rid of Spitex.

I don't think Carol's going anywhere.

And I don't think he's done it.

Watch the minute.

Speaker 1 (51:37.87)
that

the

Yeah, we got a question in the chat. Dave Solsona asked, what would each of you guys change to turn things around? I'm curious to see what the common denominator is.

Moving back to Oakland, everything will be okay. I'm just kidding.

That's what some people will say too, believe it or not.

Speaker 2 (52:11.032)
So people are saying, that's the lunacy of the people.

We weren't making the playoffs there either.

So it's not Oakland. I say we keep coaching staff. Geno's gotta go. We gotta give this coaching staff another year. mean, we're getting tired of seeing. Coach after coach after coach after coach every year. The new coach or we get an intern coach within the year, right? You know, we're not going to build nothing like that. But I'm sticking it to a genome. He's gotta go. I mean.

As a veteran, the way he's playing, we would expect AOC to be doing this type of stuff.

I wouldn't be comfortable going in the next season. If Gino finishes the season like this, which he probably will, I wouldn't be comfortable going in the next season as our starter. Definitely, it's going to change.

Speaker 2 (53:06.392)
Here's the thing.

Does Gino start after the bi-week?

I think I think I think I don't want him to but I think Carol's gonna stick with them.

Mm-hmm.

Well, he didn't throw an interception Sunday, so he's going to give him a pass there. He's going to say he only took him out because the game was was totally out of control, so figured he'd it.

Speaker 1 (53:30.626)
This is what was telling some of the people I was talking to on Sunday at the watch party is, I mean, fine, bench them if you want. And we put Kenny Pickett in, but if you think that's going to be any better, that thing's going to fix what's going on this year. There's no great offensive lineman just sitting out there that would get picked up during the bye week. The backup quarterback ain't going to do any better.

I mean, maybe, I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, but that line's not protecting. I don't know. I guess just see what Pickett can do. Maybe he does bring a spark. I don't know.

the the

Anyway.

It's pie! Do it once again!

Speaker 3 (54:40.588)
What free agent's gonna wanna come to this bum ass team?

Great. traffic is so guaranteed to make your team better. I understand.

But what free agents are you going to want to bring in that you think are going to come here?

Isn't that the whole point of having an experience like people are going to

free agents will come free agents will come

Speaker 2 (55:00.108)
Yeah

the

If you

Speaker 3 (55:17.454)
I'm gonna throw a hat in the ring for Bekton. Didn't even try!

How do you know? Are you an introvert? You can get behind the wall and find out? They tried. They tried.

There were no-

So they tried, but listen, remember they tried, they tried to get Matthew Stafford. Gino wasn't even the first choice. Matthew Stafford was. And he chose to go back to the Rams. And the year before, the year before they tried to move up to get a Daniels that went to the commanders. But at the end of the day, they were never given up that pick. I mean, you.

people.

Speaker 1 (55:58.134)
Just because you want to do it doesn't mean other teams are going to, you know, do it.

or what I'm getting at is, yeah, even before the season started, everybody had a clean slate. So if there was any reason that you could have brought a free agent in because Pete Carroll's here, that's when we should have done it. After seeing what we've put on the field with the talent and the coaches that we've, the coaching staff we brought in, who do you think's going to want to come here next year? Seriously, who do you think's going want

the

Money talk

the

Speaker 1 (56:30.638)
the

People.

Speaker 3 (56:37.326)
Alright, then why is Cleveland always a shit team year after year and they can't bring in all the talent. They retain the guys they have, like Myles Garrett, but who else have they brought in that's gonna up their game?

And they've had numerous draft bakes. How's that worked out?

the

The money. The money. Did you see them. Did you see the money Mark spend on his house.

Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:05.87)
the

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So, hold on, hold on. So you go from talking about free agents to going to building the team young and getting fresh new talent in. You can't have both, right? But let's be real here, guys. There's no real one-way solution to slice this pie, right? We have too many issues. One, if we trade max, the value that we need to get is a minimum amount of

three number ones and three number twos and you have to have a trade partner that's willing to give you that. And the only reason that I say this, but I'm going to say is well, the guy asked what we need to change the culture. need leaders in the locker room and that's what makes max invaluable. I don't give a fuck what you bring in all these young draft picks. When you have a losing culture in that locker room,

Hmm.

Speaker 2 (58:14.124)
that has been stewing with no leadership?

Then I don't care what kind of coach you got. It doesn't matter because player leadership is invaluable. And that's what makes Max Crosby a blue chip player. You have to get another blue chip player to come into that locker room. That sounds good, but the coaching staff has to respect that as well. They have another leader in the locker room. He may be a number one wide receiver in this league, but he is the leader of that fucking team. And look at how you're treating him.

numbers

Speaker 2 (58:48.718)
I don't disagree with you. I'm not saying what I'm saying is the guy asked what needs to change and then Jeff came with the hey, let's trade Max and that's the reason I wouldn't trade Max because of how invaluable he is as a leader in the locker room. If you trade Max, you. There's nothing James. James. Go ahead. James is.

You don't trade, Matt.

Speaker 1 (59:14.126)
the

Before I want to tell you this, before we go, I'm going tell you this. As much as it hurts and as much as it's going to suck to see these same guys on the field, you have to let it happen. This is a new fucking team, new coaching staff, new regime, no continuity anywhere. And you're not going to get it if you keep fucking moving players around. Move this guy here. Hey, you know what? I'm mad enough. I put this guy here. He's a 68. Let me put him there. This ain't fucking mad at you.

These guys need to learn how to play together. Even as the O line, before Miller got hurt, they were showing signs they can do some shit. Miller went down. Huge piece, right? But now you got to let these guys start to build something, see what they have to build that continuity. So when you do find that, then you could plug in that quarterback. Now you could bring in that free agent and plug his ass in. But until you find some continuity on your team, receivers, O line, D line, look at our secondary, bro.

It's Swiss cheese!

And and and I know James wants to chime in real quick, but before he does another reason why you don't trade max is He's not killing our salary We still have hella money and we're gonna have hella money next year. So why would you get rid of your best player? If if it's not even eating up money you do it if you're if it's eating up so much money that you have so many holes that you got to fill so you get rid of them get draft picks this and that money we will have the money

Speaker 1 (01:00:45.848)
We have money now and we'll have even more this off season to fill the holes we need to fill. You don't trade max. just, you do not do that. Cause if you do, like I forgot who said it a minute ago, you are absolutely starting over again. At from that point.

James. Right, before James go on there, before he go, if you get rid of Matt, let's just say three first rounds and two second rounds. You bring in five first people. For what? A coach is going to last what, another two years possibly?

Go ahead James.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22.178)
then what? We get a new coach in and then what?

It didn't work out when we did it for Kaleo Mac.

We also had idiots running the team back then too that didn't know to draft. We fucked those

the

and built then off of the pics that we got for Cleo Mack and they fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46.254)
Go ahead James, go ahead James. James you'll not get it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10.868)
Meredith and parham both need to be replaced. this is god awful. Like both of them replaced. Huh? I don't know you that we got to find out that later. and all of that being said, I mean,

this year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33.762)
Jacoby's gonna get traded. So I'm not even gonna talk about that because we just know that's what's gonna happen. Kobe's gonna be traded. That's gonna be exactly how it goes. Now.

the Max Crosby topic. Look, if I'm being honest, look at our record, okay? We've had Max Crosby, he's been great, he's been the best raider of all of what I've seen in a long time. And let's just be honest, man, we're not winning. So Max Crosby being on the team is not doing anything to help us win right now. It's not.

2 hour show, spit it out!

Speaker 2 (01:03:16.054)
Max Crosby cannot be good enough to outlast everybody.

next week because you agree with

Speaker 1 (01:03:21.826)
He just can't. not hurting us either.

You know, hold on, hold on. Let me talk now. Let me talk. Y'all can talk for like 30 minutes. So, I mean, let's just be honest. I mean, we're not winning Max Crosby. Yeah, sure. Do we have the money to pay Max Crosby? Yes. Do we still have money after that? Yes. But why wouldn't we just have more money to make the team overall better and be a more well balanced team overall?

Well balanced what balance do we got we got shit. you take him away? Yeah, if you take him away, what do you Let's be honest, we're already starting over regardless if we keep Max Crosby or we don't we are still starting over Let's just call it what it is. We are starting over. Okay, if we guard this. You're in a worse position if you don't have Max

If you don't have Max, you don't have anybody. we're not going to go wait, hold on. You're going to go with the two. No defensive tackles. Come on, bro. We're not winning with him though. What's the use of having an all star player that you're not winning with? But it's not because of him. You're Lakers fan, right? Would you want Kobe Bryant if they weren't winning championships? Of course I want Kobe.

him talk.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42.402)
the

Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55.182)
right? My most definitely wanted to leave Cleveland and most definitely only stayed. Did he contract of his lifetime? Did he leave? Because they damn threw the fucking the fucking. Why do you think they did that? Goddamn kids in the city. And why do think they did that? They did it to keep them. Why? Because you don't let players that are that good walk away from your franchise. hear me out here. Hear me out here. We're not.

They didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23.214)
the

And that's fine. You have enough money to go get a quarterback. It's not like Max is keeping up are we going to get another quarterback? We suck. We're going to get a top draft. Yes, we suck. But we're going to have to get a quarterback in the draft because we are all like- So that's what you want.

We were always going to have to anyway. Even even with getting Gino, even if Gino was tearing it up this year, we were still needing a quarterback as he's old.

We're always going to have

Speaker 2 (01:05:53.998)
Jeff I guess I can't say a **** thing today, huh? No, no, no. That's right. You're not going to stop getting. Let's be honest. We pay. We're we're we're paying Gio Smith 37 and a half million dollars a year. We're not going to get out of that. We're just not. can't. You get out of it after this. He's a he's a

They're great.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11.854)
You can't get out of it, also this year.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17.358)
I guarantee you, Geno Smith is gonna be on the team. You also guarantee Geno was gonna light it up. I'm done with you. How we feel about Geno Smith being on the team. He's gotta be on the team in he take care of that. Me personally, if we continue to lose, if we have a losing season. We're going to. There's no this. Yeah, yeah, you're right. We are going to.

the

Speaker 2 (01:06:46.926)
we should explore trading Max Cross while the price tag is high for for draft picks to build. We have draft picks. We're going to have a top three pick. We need more. We do not have enough. We have this whole conversation. Jeff's having a good time over there right now. Yeah. We have bad drafting to try. Yeah. I'll send you some right now.

Can you send me some of that cake?

You know, we have years of bad drafting to try to recover from. There's no possible way. How do we get max? They got into the draft. Oh shit. Oh, that's such a terrible round. What the fifth six?

You really need more first-round picks to make sure you get superstars? No, why not have them though? Are they guarantee?

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42.51)
Already you already have a superstar

Where's Cleen and Farrell? Where's Cleen Farrell? Where's Abrams?

Speaker 2 (01:07:55.598)
Okay. You're going to trade away a guaranteed superstar. Okay. You get, you get so many draft picks, right? You're going to get, you get, you get, let's let's say, let's just theoretical, right? Let's say we get two first round and two second rounds. Okay. I know, I know I heard someone say they wanted three and three. We'll just say two and two to be fair. Okay. going to fit, you're going to get four positions and the price you're going to pay.

is probably going to be at least 20 to $25 million less than what you're paying Max right now. Max, I don't understand. guys want to have a star player, but you guys don't want to give big names to free agency. Like I don't care. Why do you want to give all your money to this guy when we're losing? We're losing. Because he's a big name.

See this is

Speaker 2 (01:08:55.49)
The fact of the matter is we are still fucking losing so move on We are one position away from winning and we're not

Let me cut in on this one, okay? See, this is completely different than when we traded Kahlil Mack. When we traded Kahlil Mack, we had no money. So John Gruden needed to decide whether to pay him that big contract and not have the money to get the other holes that we had on that team or just to let him go get the draft picks and try to fill the holes and do the best we can there.

None of us wanted to see Matt go, but I understand why they did it then. With Max Crosby, there is absolutely zero reason to get rid of Max Crosby. He's not hurting us financially. We still have money to fill holes. Yes, I understand. I understand you want the draft picks. I understand you want the draft picks, but draft picks are guaranteed. We've shown that.

Him and

Speaker 1 (01:10:15.83)
Yeah, you're you're basically giving up a proven star to hope that you draft better people. And we haven't we obviously have not done that when we've had those opportunities. So you keep it. You keep him because you still have money to fill the holes and you still and you still have the star there. He's not hurting us. He's not losing us games. Yeah, we're still losing. The Max is one guy.

Let me know when you're ready. Are you ready? So let's go down some numbers, right? Since you guys are all by the numbers. I'm going to pull up some Spoh Trek numbers here. Let's make sure they're real though. His cap is 38 million. next year is cap it. Next year, what's the salary cap at? 29 million a year. What's the salary cap at? 29, 27 million.

Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13.706)
Hey, guy. 28 million. Are you? Are you? Know what they mean? That? Know what they mean? You don't know that. guys really think he's. What is the salary cap at? is the

the

You realize those numbers are actually a bargain compared to the guys assigned after him for the style of play. We lucky. We signed him first before the Garretts and everybody else. So we actually got.

the the

He doesn't want to leave.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19.84)
He doesn't wanna leave!

We are miles away from winning. We are gonna win shit till fucking at least 2025. were insane when you was praising Gino Smith after we won. And Gino Smith and what P Carol?

Speaker 1 (01:12:43.982)
Stop stop stop it kids turn it around fast all the time. Don't don't don't give me more miles away the Commander the the commander the commander the commander's had four wins and went to the championship the next

We were in the playoffs in 2021, James. We were never down bad in 2021. We were down six and seven and they went on a four game streak. And we made the playoffs. So yeah, it was four years ago. here's my question. Is that making a run? Because we weren't playing that bad. We would have. We had a better team the next year. Coach staff just lost those games when we had those leads.

James, why are you trying to sound like John right now? James sounds like coupon John right now. This is James right now. Crosby for sale on I06. Give me two draft picks and two number twos. That's exactly what you sound like right now. We're through McDonald's drive through, I just want to know how you guys are okay with all these death pieces and grabbing all these pieces, but you're not okay with moving out to Max.

you're like that is a problem. get ready to free agents with good reason. I get ready to for wine, big name free agents. But when I come here and I'm like, Hey, let's move on from this guy and make the entire. Wait, wait, wait, wait. How are you making the entire team better? None of those draft picks that you're that you're getting are guaranteed to be good players. None of those players.

Why I be okay?

Speaker 2 (01:14:21.878)
are even guaranteed to be at the level of Max Crut. So how are you guaranteeing that those four draft picks are making the team better if you trade Max? There's gonna be no way to guarantee it, but you know what? have several years of You know what you can be sure of? That you have a superstar in Max is fucking garbage. Max Crut. So, James, you just said it. We have bad drafting. have bad drafting and you're gonna depend on drafting to better our team. Will.

Can Max Crossley play every fucking position on defense? Can he play every position on defense? No, nobody, no. Is he fucking covering wide receivers and tight ends? No. They have him. He's not. But he dropped. dropped though, right? Yeah.

Change

James are you are you trying you?

They're gonna keep your team so much better when we've been fucking losing damn near the entire time of this contract.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13.07)
I was getting rid of him, gonna make our team better.

It doesn't.

the ceiling of getting better. But you got that now James. Now you're like reaching. I'm not reaching the thing you can't you can't guarantee that everything is going to be better than Max. You can't guarantee that all the draft picks that you get from you still have drafts coming. You can still pick good players with the ones you have now.

I just don't see the point of us losing our best player. You know what? I forget that I'm arguing with the same people that thought it was okay to give Colton Miller all that money. Here we go. I'm arguing with people.

Bye, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05.198)
I'm still okay with Colt Miller.

the- the- the-

I can't

Speaker 2 (01:16:27.342)
the

Jesus Christ, what is he doing right now? Thank you On the big on the big-name subject, okay Because the draft is important that the team the teams like the chiefs and the Patriots and things like that that have had success for years and years and years

No

Speaker 1 (01:17:00.46)
have drafted well, they don't go out there and pay a shitload of big name players. The Raiders did that for years before Al Davis passed away. And yeah, we had a couple year run with Gannon and everybody, but it hasn't were the teams that do it. They might maybe bust out one Super Bowl and then they're back into being shit again for a while. You got a draft, you got a draft for stability sign and it's OK to sign a big name player.

or something like that. But to just go, you're going to get a big name at linebacker and get a big name at defensive line. You need a big name in it. And in a corner, you're to get a big name. You're not going to get a big name everywhere. At some point, you have to get just role players in certain positions that are going to play well.

So let me ask you this, how is it that you want to draft but you don't want to move on from Max to gain more capital to draft? We don't have to lose this If you get rid of Max on the defense, correct? If you get rid of Max on the defense, we all know the offensive line is what needs to be worked on right now. Are we going to all those lines? Then we'll have a story.

It's a draft for

Speaker 1 (01:18:14.626)
And here's the thing too. Here's the thing too. How do you not know? How do you know that the two offensive linemen we drafted this last year aren't gonna be something? They're not ready yet.

You believe in draftics?

They're not ready yet. A lot of these guys got to develop. They're not ready to just plug and play year one. These guys could come in next year, year after and end up being probable offensive lineman. You, got it. You got to trust the process.

But not getting not getting rid of a guy like Max Crosby because he's not costing us. He's not costing us to get rid of. I get it. If he was caught, if it was if if he was stopping us financially from getting players, then yes, then I'd say maybe. But he's not our our salary cap is going to be just fine next year to spend on. Absolutely is about the salary.

It's not the salary cap, it's just the fact that...

Speaker 2 (01:19:16.334)
Hey, let me see this. on. Hold on. You want to know what Crosby is right now? Max Crosby is becoming the Charles Barkley of the NFL. That is exactly what is. Wow. One of players that never won shit because his team fucking sucked.

What kind of

Speaker 1 (01:19:40.878)
Go walk through the NFL Hall of Fame right now and tell me how many of those players haven't won Super Bowls. It's just the way it is. You don't win. Not every team wins all the time.

and some of the ones that win Super Bowls

Listen, hey, he got nothing. James likes to yell and scream. Let's ask him. This don't matter. That don't matter. But when it came to it, the cap didn't matter, but he was up here yelling cap numbers. And all of a sudden, the cap don't matter. Hey, let's be realistic, though. Let's be realistic on a trade that is possibly going to happen. What are we going to get for Jacoby? Is that the best of

Speaker 2 (01:20:35.905)
Do we see JPJ leaving because I don't Boy, you know what the way they've been treating him and the way to Kelly is I would not be surprised if he was

I've been hearing that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48.366)
Which goes back to my first two. JPJ, not letting him shine, They're just.

God

the

It's because he likes to yell and make it seems like what he's saying makes sense, but yelling don't make it any more legit, bro. It doesn't I will say it like this because Mac, we are a better team with Max Crosby than without.

Are we though?

Speaker 2 (01:21:24.0)
are we? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What? Because I'm going to tell you what, because he at one position, he's a leader on the field. We don't have another leader. When you're trying to help people forget the games he took over and everyone was passing.

What are we?

Speaker 2 (01:21:50.156)
I think Jack is drunk.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58.582)
And no, Jackie, thank you, Vaughn.

Steve, you got to meet Jack Kenner over the week.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09.486)
Yeah. Will is changing his mind before he comes on here.

Said I said this about JPJ

the

Yeah, you done now?

I'll go get it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26.731)
Listen, put your pacifier back in, in the corner and be a good little brother.

the

You

Speaker 3 (01:22:38.444)
years. When they started talking about moving JPJ from center to guard and then he was in competition with Capa and is still in competition with Capa to this day. I made this statement. Everybody thought I was **** crazy and I said, maybe JPJ is not as good as we thought but there's something else going on there where they've just got this kid blackballed on this in this organization. There's something going on that we're not we're not privy to. Nobody knows about it. Another big word for you, James.

You know, so there's gonna be something else and I wouldn't be surprised if he is traded Seriously, you know as far as Jacobi, I think he's you're gonna get no more than a no better than a fourth round up With a condition to it because I can tell you right now There's one team I think that's gonna grab him or want him right away and it's gonna be him going back to New England Because he's only here because the McDaniels in the first place is how we got here in Vegas Want him back

And if they put a stipulation in the trade off of if they make say the AFC championship or they go so far in the playoffs because of him and he has so many plays percentage wise or have so many catches that we move up to possibly a third pick third round. Other than that, I don't see us getting anything better than a fourth round for him because I don't see any other teams with a dire need for him. He goes into England. He's back in the game again. That he's back on a good team. He's back with the win.

The man's been balling with boot and all that shit. my god

Drake fucking me

Speaker 1 (01:24:14.668)
Quarterback, they have a quarterback.

They have a quarterback, their offensive line looks good. They got running backs. got a coach that everybody loves.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27.37)
It drives me nuts watching them have success now after we played them and they looked like they were just going to be left for dead. And now they've got this resurgence.

Say that again, James.

the the

I want to know who

Speaker 2 (01:25:07.141)
Give us a name. I think you're gonna do it. I brought 30. You guys. Brock. I think you can do a for Max.

I wouldn't do it for Brock.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21.08)
that

Wash it or listen to you, but he just took the words out my

I really did think he was gonna say Shador for a minute though. I thought that.

the

sure you could

Speaker 1 (01:25:53.006)
Goddamn.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00.613)
God.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05.166)
Crosby for Purdy?

Speaker 2 (01:26:24.686)
don't understand you guys. You guys want to it right here. We're **** losing all together. James, you're fired. Yup. I'm sorry. What the **** You're going to

Yeah

Speaker 3 (01:26:42.2)
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54.558)
Absolutely, Crosby ain't going nowhere. This is the thing, right?

And he doesn't want to he doesn't want to go anywhere

sense why and that's why I'm just keep saying it doesn't make us any better to get rid of him but that's why wanted him to save the quarterback that's why he didn't have one because they know let me ask you this do it for burrow absolutely what I

If he would have said borrow would you have done that? Yeah, that's what I thought

Borrow Patrick Mahomes someone like that

Speaker 2 (01:27:20.684)
Hey CJ shroud Baker Mayfield

Are you serious?

I gave you two more! Baker Mayfield? Baker Mayfield?

But no, no, you're gonna be in the realm of the monster. Gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54.286)
Prescott's better than Purdy.

the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the-

by getting rid of him

Speaker 2 (01:28:23.084)
That makes no sense. That's not the reason you're getting rid of Max Crosby. mean, yes, you're getting compensation. said it! That's what you just said. Hold on. Slow down. Slow down. Slow down. You slow down. The reason you're getting rid of Max Crosby is because your team is not winning football games. So you getting draft picks in return to make your team better is a consolation of that.

But the sole reason getting rid of Max Crosby isn't for that. It's just playing based off the fact we're giving all this money to this guy, we're not fucking winning. James, a trained player like Max can make it seem better if he's hurting you financially and he's not.

Man, that's like James. That's like you saying you're gonna get rid of your Raider jerseys and start wearing Kansas City jerseys now. That don't make sense. don't make sense. No, but you're not making any sense, bro. You're not making it because you're saying that the only way for us to get better. I'm ask you why Jeff asked you. I'm gonna ask you why Jeff asked you because you never answered, Are you sure the Raiders are better with him than they are without him? Yes.

you. Are you sure? Are you sure we're going to have more wins in the way you can ask that you can ask a million times in a million times. I'm going to tell you. the moment? the is going on in the **** Why we listen James that Bears game would have been that Patriot game. would have been worse without Max. my lord. We can we can

We could lose the rest of our games this season and we're still better with Max Crosby than without it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03.278)
the What was the video we were just talking about this video earlier, what was the name of the guy? That's what James means He's one of those guys that does shit for for watch for views He went from being mega to not mega for the he went viral So then he did it with his rated jersey cut his rated jersey for a 49ers. There's no you

the

James's background just needs to be the crying Jordan face.

the

not that way

Speaker 2 (01:31:03.406)
extension hurt us because he took most of the money. Yeah. That's why you took some of Max money. DC took some of Max money. Hey, hold on. Do you know Smith is making 37 and a half million right now, right? We're losing, right? Do you want him on the team? You know why? Because losing him, we still can get better without him. We're better without him.

now

Speaker 2 (01:31:31.982)
lose Max, we're not better. That's facts. We're not winning with him. But here's the thing, you're not saying, here's the thing about James, here's the thing about winning. Here's the thing about winning. You need more than just one guy to win. We're losing. You need more than one guy You were just sandblasting two weeks before that, 40 to six. What are you talking about? We're not even winning. So was Max Crosby throw the football?

Did Max Crosby

He's Dave. Do we trade? Do we trade? Do we trade Brock Bowers? Do we trade Aston Gentile?

Speaker 1 (01:32:20.429)
Why would you trade Max Crosby?

Speaker 1 (01:32:26.616)
It's not hurting our cat.

my lord, dude. That's the part you don't get bro. You don't understand the cap. But you can get viable draft compensation. You can sell him at the top of the top right now. Can you? did the Cowboys get from Micah? What did the Packers get from Micah?

Was it three first rounders I think

Something like that? Two?

It was two and a player.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03.18)
that's right cuz they got three first now they got three first round is this year. No they got three in total they got one this year already their original they got the Packers first round of this year and Packers first round next year. So they've got four first round picks in the next two season next.

All right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18.99)
Yeah, you telling me that we're gonna get more for max then why not? We are trusting the price my not planning because you're assuming yes,

the

I less than that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48.342)
Well, James over here thinks we're gonna get a **** in.

All the drafts this year's draft when his stock was still a little bit higher Probably but now now now he's he got hurt this weekend So you don't know what's up with him right now. Okay, that's gonna lower his value right there. So Hang on James Jesus Every every day that passes his draft. What what can he get forms kind of go down? So you can remember that too. So go anymore. We're not gonna get what you think you're gonna

Funny part Jeff is that as max is this fool here's complaining about his salary the fact that his salary is so low Is what makes him more of a trade value for someone but it's not just that much. It's we're paying him and we're losing Why are we paying someone to lose? He's Can fucking give him the fucking Derek Hart flowers of the fucking defensive man position all you know, you did DC

I'm losing.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54.222)
The Raiders met with Max and told him they aren't shopping him if I'm also not mistaken they also met with AP over the weekend Didn't say anything about they were firing him went out there Let him have his press conference that in a day later shit canned him

Yeah

Speaker 2 (01:35:11.768)
Yeah, but that's different. They may be able to agree.

and what they do after that.

Don't Don't do that. Don't do that. The report was both sides came out and they both said there's no trade happening. Max and the Raiders. Don't bust the Mitchel rents on this show, bro. My tell me.

I think that they're not.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32.898)
I'm not bussing to Mr. Ren! You could- You It could happen though, let's- could ha- Sources?

I

I guarantee you, I guarantee you they're not shopping. Matt, yes, teams are calling. Dallas called. Other teams are going to call. Why wouldn't you? If you're a team, if you're running an NFL team and you need a guy like Max Crosby, you fucking call the Raiders. But the Raiders don't have to say yes. Doesn't mean they're shopping them. That means they're calling.

Right?

Yeah

Speaker 2 (01:36:09.966)
And they compare it to the way that Mac

Max Crosby is untouchable at the trade down line to me.

So let me ask you this, let's say a team does, I'm just hypothetical. What if a team does offer one pick less than what Mike Parsons garnered?

What would you do? already told you what I would need to even consider it. To consider it, I would consider three number ones and three number two.

So you want more than what I gave you?

Speaker 2 (01:36:40.91)
That's why I said to just consider it And look where it's coming from to what team if it's Detroit, that's not a fucking top 10 pick, bro You're in the late 20s. No, because if you're looking at it, you're gonna send him to a contender You're gonna get a late first round draft pick. So you're not gonna go sit there and be like, yeah I'm just gonna grab this one guy at number 25. I just want to highlight

That the two has right now is very different from the two and he had when I called him after the game on Sunday. That's all I'm going to say. What was the tone about? we are. are. are. are. We are. And you were all for like, well, yeah, we're still losing. And what's the point? are you confidentiality, bro? Now I know not to call you when I'm in the fucking. Yeah. I'm here like, what branch were you in?

Speaker 2 (01:37:42.714)
That's fucked up you bring up a personal car and that's not what you told me you know, what's Flipping this I called it and I said our team was bad, but I never talked about no Max Crosby. No, I brought up Max Crosby We talked about that shit. That was you This is what you don't ever call James and tell him

is the and this is what James does. We're we're officially taking your phone in. Thank you very much. You want to call military. Now, I know what branch you were in. I understand.

Take this trade down below trade James for one year of Dunkin Donuts two slabs of ribs and fluff frescoes. Yeah

Done! Cool, Kev! Who the fuck drinks frescoes?

it. You know what? The crazy thing is I get what James is saying with getting more ammunition for the draft, but we've been so bad at the draft that you can't be afraid of it because of that reason though. Yeah. But at the same time, but I mean like with Max Crosby, if Max Crosby wasn't being the player that he is, if he wasn't being such an asset, he wasn't such a leader on the team. If he was being like Michael Parsons, where he was being a disease.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02.306)
then he'll get traded. Yeah, but that's the difference, right? He's an asset to the team. He comes in. He has an attitude. He's trying to set the culture. Regardless. get what James is saying. Yeah, we're losing. It sucks, but it's not on Max Crosby. We can't say that Max Crosby is the reason that this team is losing. This is funny. Hold on. This is what Willie. You are talking like you didn't listen to a goddamn thing I said for the past 30 minutes.

Rudy says we need pigs who cares about money. We don't use it properly. Anyway, we don't do proper draft picks either way Rudy

That's what they're like.

Can I just address something real quick here with the draft picks and everything? And cause this all relates to scouting. Remember everything that was happened this year, even though we got the guy from Philly, all the scouting reports were already done. So this new guy that we brought in, that's going to be in head of the of the scouting that came from Philly. This is where you're going to see the impact from him now going into next season's draft. So you weren't going to see his input based on.

this past year's draft because by the you got here all those reports were done because those are all done. So everything you're seeing now in the college ranks all those scouting reports that are being done those are what's going to matter going forward. So the true test is to what's going to happen with the picks we make next year based on this guy's talent and knowing and how to evaluate players like he did when he was in Philly because look at the

Speaker 2 (01:40:16.173)
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36.846)
same guy that that brought Booker over. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, starting out very well. You don't like Booker? Do know how much you got pushed back against Kansas City?

You see how-

It all did!

Everybody does, man.

Hey, let's be real. and let's be real too. JPJ bro, he got worse. I'll be like, he got worked. The whole team got worked. looked on

Speaker 3 (01:40:57.815)
You got school.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02.959)
It's not like he went out there and gave a major contract to Booker or something. We needed somebody. We needed another player in the middle.

Besides that he was the third on the adapt

talking about guys in different regimes, Rudy. Of course, it's easy to spare. I just want I just want to say even though we called Max Cross this contract affordable, let's not forget he is the top in the top five highest paid defensive ends in the NFL.

And it's still not hurting us financially

So before we say his contract is so uber cheap. It is remember he's in the top five at 30 15. So let me ask you this stuff. How much is the top contract James? Go look at your computer again.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44.366)
I see Michael Parsons 47 million. TJ watt 41 million miles Garrett 40 max Crosby's number four at 35 and a half minus 35.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07.054)
It's a of money.

Speaker 3 (01:42:27.628)
the

Maybe our problem as fans and as a franchise is we are unwilling to accept completely the rebuild and start all the way from the ground down. Maybe that's our problem as a franchise and fans is that we are unwilling to accept a complete rebuild from the bottom.

but why do we want to know clean fucking now so now you're saying we need to blow it up yeah blow it the fuck up we're not winning start over that's

All we've been doing. We're on our third GM third head coach in three years. That's such a dumb ass idea. Such a dumb ass idea to start over again. That's all we've been doing is starting over.

Yeah, we just want to

Speaker 2 (01:43:14.082)
But clearly we didn't blow up the team enough.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20.59)
not sure. This is the craziest solution to blow it up after we just blew it up. No, you can't. just been coming. James, we just blew it up. We just got rid of our head coach. We just got rid of our GM staff and you get rid of some of these bigger name players and you just start fresh. That's that's what makes sense. Some of these players that make the more money you get rid of them. I mean, you bring some more in.

You still have to build around something. You don't just get rid of everybody.

Yeah, you need to build around a quarterback, not a fucking defensive end.

That's not stopping us from getting a quarterback.

Or fucking like some defensive backs or something like fucking A like

Speaker 1 (01:44:02.112)
It's not stopping us from getting a court. It's not stopping. It's not stopping us from getting all that. It's not stopping us.

Is Max Crossley covering a tight end? You're talking defensive back. Is really that

You're talking like we didn't sign these people because of his contract. We still have money right now. They just didn't sign people. It wasn't because of Max Grosvenor.

That's what that's basically what you're doing. I tell you is job of a defensive end James James. What is the job of a defensive end? We're not **** winning our team **** sucks. We're two and five before the **** bye week. Okay, we're so bad. We could lose our **** bye week. I mean, let's just be let's call it what it is. Get get Max Crosby out of here. Bring some better players in.

I'm okay.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56.948)
They're just growing on trees potential better players the potential better players now we're going for potential. Let's give those extra draft picks. Let's see what happens. This young man, please.

gives

Speaker 1 (01:45:16.974)
Captain Jack in the house. Captain Jack.

I'm playing that guy from Texas. Can I finish? haven't even started but I need to finish. Okay. Okay. I get it. I get it and I understand the Crosby for picks. I understand it and it's unfortunate that the entire nation is feeling that because II have half the people that tell me that they are right with the

Or the other half are saying you need to submit yourself for a year analysis. And if you're one of those jobs where your analysis will get you bounced, they don't want to, you don't want to go. I get it. But here's the point. If it all. And I've said this on every fucking show I've been on. I said it on Ken Thompson on sports X radio yesterday in between flights to get home.

Every fucking show it comes down to the fucking offensive line If you don't score points if you don't protect your quarterback and your quarterback is seeing not only is he seeing ghosts He's seeing fucking people rise up from the fucking grave because he cut you can't look off his first fucking receiver and Ashton Gentile or Raheem Mostert can't get out of their own fucking way because the other authentic linemen are getting packed in so bad

It's like you're in a San Francisco gay house because they're fucking packed in. That's how bad it is. And for all you people that are homosexuals, I don't mean no offense. Okay. I gotta say that because there are a few like the gentleman that is now a 49er fan that used to be a tenoy Raider. Oh, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said that. But anyway, the point is this, okay, is

Speaker 2 (01:47:18.316)
You gotta have effort and you end up and I said the guy we got from the Eagles or said correctly the Eagles he's worked under Howie Roseman Howie Roseman fucking gets great talent and Howie Roseman has people that pick that shit and we used to have somebody in champ champ Kelly and but they fucking shit canned him because they they threw him over for spy tech. That was a Brady move

because Brady went with this boy from Michigan. Spice is not a fuck twat. Unlike Goat 209. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said that. But yeah, I did. Give the guy a chance to see what he can do with draft picks with what we have collateral. We need offensive linemen. We need to have our people that we drafted last year. And by the way, Jeff is correct. The guys we got in the draft

were from the scouting reports based upon what was left to What was left to them. So that's who we drafted. So if they're right, wrong, or indifferent, let's see what we got in. I want to see Rogers and Grant out there, OK? I want to see what we got in the offensive line. I want to see fucking Locky Tossie pick up the motherfucker in front of him and throw him. And if he gets a flag on him, well, he fucking lids with it because the guy's brutal.

He's strong and he can do shit. He just needs to get his refined, you know, the refined parts of how to play football. I want to see every fucking draft pick. I want to see Porter at cornerback. I want to see the two Berg brothers, Eichenberg and Lindbergh playing ball because this team is not going to get any better, but it can't get any fucking worse. And Max does need somebody on the opposite side. And I was a guy that said, okay, give Malcolm Goont

a contract for a year, see what he does. He's on a fucking milk carton. He's on a milk carton. Where's Malcolm Goodes? Because I sure as fuck haven't seen him every fucking game. I've seen every fucking game this year. And that's not one of these. It's because I'm a fucking masochist that brutally goes for this shit. OK? And yeah, I'm sounding like the old man. Get off my fucking lawn. OK?

Speaker 2 (01:49:44.728)
sorry. But I don't agree with you on trading Max and you're not honestly, you're not going to get a hall form because now he's on two bad wheels. He's had knee problems for two years in a row. That's an indicator of possibly, you know, he's got some issues and I love Max, but it's not Max Crosby's fault. And I'm going to say something that's controversial.

Derek Carr never made a fucking defensive stop in his lifetime. So when we sucked with Derek, it wasn't all his fault too. I didn't like his ad at the end, but that's another thing. Max needs help. Gino needs help. And let's see what we got with Spytech and the guy we got from the Eagles whose name I don't remember. But it's not going to happen this year. But if you want to trade Crosby at the trade deadline, you want to have a fucking mutiny in Raider Nation?

Yeah. It get rid of Max Cross. Get rid of Max Crosby and then it'll be then you can blame me. You can blame me if you trade Max Crosby because every time I get a **** player that is current, they're **** gone and I got a Max Crosby jersey. It's like, well, we'll we'll keep Max Crosby for a while. Okay.

I'm sorry. I want to see it through. Max deserves better. We all deserve better. But it's increments, increments. Max needs help. We need to play the fucking youngsters. I do not want to see Alex Crappa on the fucking field anymore.

You don't want them catching touch.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33.582)
I mean, like he was about to get to camera. He was right there. No, it was right there. Hey, he couldn't catch a fucking, he couldn't catch a whore in Thailand with a thousand dollars.

Stop!

Speaker 3 (01:51:48.886)
Rorschach not only do we don't have a sail we're keel up right now this did we've capsized this boat was this boat is capsized on this team right now

I

to go.

See you guys good talk to you. I love you James even though even though it's a crazy idea still love you, Israel Jeff Captain Jack will love all you guys talk to you later

One V

Speaker 2 (01:52:16.078)
I'm a bear.

and

Hey, yeah, the girl was 18. I don't know what you fucking said on that video, but she was the wrong show.

Well, we get out of here tonight. I do have to bring this up. So in week 15, the Raiders go to the Philadelphia to play the Eagles. So I've been in talks with Will, the president of the Philadelphia chapter. He's got some information on some things that he's working on. As of right now, we're looking at events between December 11th, which is the Thursday till

Friday or Sunday, which is obviously the game. There's a, I'm to put the link in the chat right now too. That's the link for the hotel that he's got rooms like a host floor booked for a blocked. Make sure you use those codes. So the group code is the black hole slash TBH. The group code is number 500. The hotel code is P H L D A D T.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32.524)
You have until November... shit, it's not showing the full...

November shit,

Thank

Not going to pull the hang on

Ugh.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45.664)
Hey, Jeff. What Jeff says given out an autographed Aiden O'Connell jersey.

the

Speaker 3 (01:53:53.326)
Yeah, November 20th is the deadline to book the rooms. So make sure you guys get and take that information down. If you go into Philly, the locations that we're going to be using for there's going to be a cigar bar or cigar lounge. It's called the Ashton cigar bar. So I'm going to put that.

The thing I'm gonna hit someone over the head with tonight

That's the website for the cigar lounge. Is that better?

There you go.

And Misconduct is the location that we're going to be doing for like a meet and greet. Information on those will be coming out hopefully by the 1st of November. He's finalizing some of the finer details on everything. But I'm to be putting this flyer out probably in the next couple of days just for reminder on anybody that's coming to Philly. If that's the hotel you're going to stay at, make sure you use that information to book your room.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56.108)
you California people in cold in Philly in December. Take it from somebody. Yeah. Take it from somebody that lived there as a kid. Okay. And yes, I get my sports like this from being in Philly as a kid. Okay. Trust me. Okay. I and I I would like to go and unless I Jeff II want to go

Certainly.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25.226)
I might go just to go to those events. But unless I see some life out of this team, I probably won't be going to that game. I might go to the events because that sounds like fun. Okay. Again, I'm not trying to poo poo it. I know the events are fun. That's why I go every fucking week is because of our family. That's why I go every fucking week because I haven't seen shit on the field to make me excited.

Okay, don't boycott just get with the family and and it not you know, it's not one of those things where you know it well I hope they well, maybe I pray we're gonna get better I just want live to see it Okay, because I can't get why I said get those fucking rookies out there and I I'm I'm sorry to you know, the be like the way I am but I want to see something I want to see something

you

Speaker 2 (01:56:26.07)
I'm sorry. Am I down? Yeah. And before we go out of here, guys, I want to let you guys know also for the November game and at the mile high city, baby, we can be out there rocking with TBH Denver. got Tema Leakus restaurant where they're going to be holding the event Wednesday night. Then they're going to be having a tailgate Thursday all day before the game. We know it's a Thursday night game, but if you guys are out there endeavor, make sure you hit up TBH Denver and my big sis, Krista up there, and we'll make sure to take care of you guys.

As far as the Philly game, like I said, I am going the wife and I are both going. I am bringing I am bringing both of I'm bringing the one good Modelo canopy that I have that didn't get destroyed at the New England game. And I'm bringing my radar one with me and I'm bringing my flat top down to so they're planning on some some good shit for food and everything down there to for the tailgate.

So again, once more information comes out, I'll be putting it out there and we'll be spreading the news between them. My chapter Instagram page will, we'll get notifications so he can forward it on. I'm going to send it out to Mike from Raiders against the world, the black hole official, the Philly chapter. So once they get out, once we start putting it out there, make sure everybody.

If you get a hold of it, make sure you share it, spread it around so we can get as many people interested in going ahead of time, know what's going on. And I know you guys have got the big Houston game.

Make sure you guys like share and subscribe man. Are we to that part yet Jeff? Hey

Speaker 3 (01:58:14.59)
Just one more thing because we're at the end of the month here My chapter is hosting a breast cancer awareness raffle. That's an eleven and a half inch wooden hanging plaque Tickets of five dollars each it's open to anybody and everybody if you're on the West Coast No matter where you are in the country if you win it, we'll ship it to you. We'll cover the shipping All proceeds from it are going towards a breast cancer research foundation in our area here once we pick a location or

a center to donate it to, we're going to donate it. If you want tickets, text that phone number that's on there. That's my wife. She'll coordinate with you on the Venmo and everything. She'll actually take a she'll fill your ticket out for you. Take a picture of it, send it to you so you'll have your copy so you don't have to be present to win it. We're drawing at the halftime of the Raiders Jacksonville Jaguars game. So the Sunday after the bye week, our first game back will be drawing the prize for that.

All proceeds will be going towards it everything that we've been selling for merchandise at the watch parties for the last few weeks We've been putting aside. We haven't been taking any of the money from it We've been putting it all towards breast cancer awareness. So right now I think we're just about $300 plus whatever we get from this So make sure you your tickets in so we can get those sent out We can get this shipped to you if you win it Bad will I'm done

Yo, and guys we are at end of this show so please like share subscribe we got plenty of channels here that need a some boosting I guess some love so make sure that you guys hit us up man show us some love you got cap down there I'm not sure if he's streaming on his page you

Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23.582)
I'm to them. I'm going to challenge my channel. No, you're not.

Speaker 2 (02:00:36.638)
To push the fucking issue

Speaker 3 (02:00:45.72)
Next week's gonna be a nice quiet.

I'm gonna be in Will's ass like I am every week. He's turning into a Niner fan. He's definitely turning into a Niner fan. Man, that was just way too much TMI,

You know how quiet that is right now? That's why it's gonna be a quiet show.

Exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:01:13.678)
nothing but belt to ask for will get out of here James

Subscribe thumbs up. Again, thank you everybody for being in here. Leo had to leave early. Oscar was in here. He had to leave a little bit early. His grandkids came over. sent me a message. Steve had to leave early also. Cap, thanks for popping in. for popping in and you and Steve and Oscar giving us a lowdown on everything that happened on Sunday at your watch party.

And James and Predator for your feedback on what happened and how everything went at your watch party in El Paso, Texas. And everybody enjoy the bye week, stay home, relax, watch all the other football teams, against the Chiefs, root against the Broncos, the Chargers, the Patriots, hell, root against everybody.

And the fake pirates of Tampa.

Yeah, them too.

Speaker 3 (02:02:14.888)
Everybody stay safe and go Raiders

trees all shake and quiver and quake as he robs them of their gold the autumn wind is a raider pillaging just for fun he'll knock you round and upside down and laugh when he's conquered and won

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And

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We

Speaker 2 (02:03:08.289)
baby

Speaker 2 (02:03:14.734)
We rock that black and silver we make them shake and shiver we make them reconsider And we still committed so if you want a piece of this you can come and

Touchdown, touchdown, let's throw a bomb on first down Let's throw a bomb on every down First we score, then we clown Having fun, look around Nobody loud as a Raider crowd Nobody proud as a Raider crowd And I'm fell how you like me now We gon' do this Oakland style, none but action I'm Bo Jackson, hit the hole, run ya over Gold line, jumping over, going crazy Lose your soul, lose your mind in the black hole Here's the goal, Super Bowl And everybody here, get the goal