Excitement For Raider Nation With The Most Notorious Podcast

Summary

The conversation revolves around the excitement and anticipation for the upcoming NFL season, particularly for the Raiders. The hosts discuss the changes in coaching, the energy within the Raider Nation, and the community events planned for fans. They also touch on the cultural aspects of being a Raider fan, including food and travel experiences, and engage in a light-hearted debate about the team's history and notable players. In this engaging conversation, the speakers delve into the legacy of the Raiders, debating the inclusion of players like Khalil Mack and Max Crosby in discussions of the team's greatest players. They explore the criteria for defining greatness, weighing longevity against statistical achievements. The conversation also touches on the potential of current players and the importance of community engagement through upcoming Raider events.

Takeaways

The Raider Nation is excited for the upcoming season.
Community engagement is a priority for the hosts.
Coaching changes bring a new energy to the team.
Fans are looking forward to events and gatherings.
Food culture plays a significant role in the Raider experience.
Travel plans for game day are being organized.
The hosts emphasize the importance of representation in the community.
There is a strong sense of camaraderie among Raider fans.
The discussion includes a light-hearted debate about the team's history.
Predictions for the season are optimistic.  Khalil Mack's absence from the list of great Raiders is controversial.
Longevity in the league can influence perceptions of greatness.
The impact of a player on the team is crucial in discussions of their legacy.
Current players like Max Crosby are approaching their prime.
Community events play a significant role in Raider Nation's culture.
Fans often push young players too hard, expecting immediate results.
The criteria for greatness in sports can vary widely among fans.
Mark Wahlberg's potential interest in owning part of the Raiders is noteworthy.
The importance of supporting young players as they develop their skills.
The Raider community is actively engaging through various events and gatherings. 

Chapters

00:00 The Raider Nation Anthem
01:54 Excitement for the Future
04:48 Community and Representation
07:49 Coaching Changes and Team Dynamics
10:35 Expectations for the Upcoming Season
13:34 Fan Engagement and Events
16:22 Food and Culture in Raider Nation
19:17 Travel Plans and Game Day Experience
22:12 Mount Rushmore of Raiders
27:52 Final Thoughts and Predictions
47:13 Debating Raider Greats
50:00 Criteria for Raider Legends
52:39 The Impact of Longevity vs. Stats
56:00 The Future of Raider Players
59:46 Upcoming Raider Events and Community Engagement

Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:22.734)
These all shake and quiver and quake as he robs them of their gold. The Autumn Wind is a raider, pillaging just for fun. He'll knock you round and upside down and laugh when he's conquered and won.

Speaker 1 (00:58.766)
Oakland Raiders, Oakland Raiders

Speaker 4 (01:08.334)
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17.582)
We make shake and

And we still committed So if you want a piece of this You can come and get it Touchdown, touchdown Let's throw a bomb on first down Let's throw a bomb on every down First we score, then we clown Having fun, look around Nobody loud as a Raider crowd Nobody proud as a Raider crowd NFL, how you like me now? We gon' do this Oakland style None but action, I'm Bo Jackson Hit the hole, run ya over, goal line Jumpin' over, goin' crazy Lose your soul, lose your mind In the black hole, here's

the gold, Super Bowl, and everybody here get the gold. Don't need no invitation. We are that Raider Nation. We that black and silver. We make them shake and shiver. We make them reconsider. And we still committed. So if you want a piece of this, you can come and get it. Oakland Raiders. Welcome to the Muggles to the Black Hole. If you're not a fan, what are you doing? Marshawn, let's say it. Fuck you. I'm a rapper, and I'm a little bass-fuck.

I'm a rannin' from that man that I'm based for Open all minds with his shit great But I still got love for niggas in the city Welcome to the, welcome to the Grand House

NUH-

Speaker 2 (02:31.246)
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It is, baby.

Speaker 1 (02:51.598)
We will,

Speaker 1 (02:56.925)
Let's crack it!

And same face man new show new day new channel. Let's go

Right

Speaker 2 (03:12.898)
most notorious notorious. I am excited for this. I need to see more of your voice. Like tell me how excited you are. I'm thoroughly excited for this because of where this could go going in the future. Like how we can make this grow and developing with the four of us working together on this doing this. I think this we're in line for some great things with this. I really feel that.

I really, really do. I'm glad we're doing this. I really am. I'm ecstatic.

man, I've been like, and you guys, as you guys know, we got the blessing from, you know, the higher ups to use our logos to come out here and put out a podcast for our people, by our people, by our president. So this is kind of it. yeah, blessing out all the latest and greatest information on this channel, giving it to you guys for real. So guys, we hope you guys enjoy. We hope you guys interact.

And we hope that we bring you guys the most up to date information from the black hole from every region. I'll be like, we got Jeff representing the East Coast. We got Leo representing the West Coast or the other left coast.

We go. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What do you mean other West Coast, bro? There's only one co-

Speaker 1 (04:37.498)
other left coast. Then we got a we got our big brother down there representing out of the military chapter. know, he represents the and the big TX and I represent the Rocky Mountain region. So, hey man, let's get it on and yo fellas. What do we got for him today?

Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:01.996)
Man, the crazy part too, like about James's thing is the military out part, bro. I love that part. I saw me and James actually connected, was I saw that. Yeah, and I thought that shit was dope, The camouflage. I don't know about y'all, but when I served, man, we was trying to listen to the games on the armed forces network. know? It wasn't like nowadays. So it was definitely a lot different.

aid

Speaker 2 (05:30.654)
Lot different shout out to the chat. I appreciate y'all being in here appreciate y'all tuning in for our first, know first but not last You know notorious podcast like you said, obviously the fellows are all decked out in their black hole gear Me and Jeff are relatively new. So, you know, we still gotta wait to get our stuff. I only have

Where's the drum roll? Leo, the drum roll to announce this?

I only have the shirt that came in my box. I think Jeff too. I want to get the truck hat, they're out. So the trucker hat. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, congratulations. Hey, I want to welcome you guys to the family. You know, as you guys know, a Leo new president. Tbh Inland Empire, he's working with the raw nation, you know, Raiders against the world to bring you something out there. And then Jeff, congratulations as well, my brother on taking over. I'm like, which is a monster out there. So

Right, right.

Speaker 1 (06:38.466)
Congratulations guys, we love it. We wanna make the family bigger and that's what it's all about.

It is bro. really is. It really is. And I think one of the cool things too is like how excited we are about the season, you know? And I know with Raider fans, we say that all the time every year it's our year. You know, people, make fun of the Cowboys for doing the same, but you know, we fall in that category sometimes, but something about this season just feels different, you know? And it could just be me, you know, I'm familiar with Pete Carroll.

I really am as much as I hate USC. I know what he did at that program. I never I knew who the Seahawks were because they were in the AFC West, but he put those motherfuckers on the map, you know, with what he did over there. You know, I didn't hate the 49ers as much, but it was cool to have a team to cheer for to go against them. And it was the Seahawks are in that era. So, yeah, but man, makes me excited. Where you can see James.

Pistol Pete man, was I was just reiterating what you said man Pete Carol us the difference in everything Pete and Mother effing Carol. That's the difference

Pete motherfucking Carol. He is a big difference. He really is.

Speaker 1 (07:54.691)
Yeah.

And the fact that we got Geno Smith, like I said we would.

Gino chip chip Kelly, you know, we didn't have to you know fucking scrape the bottom of the barrel for offensive court. No this time. that's a huge huge fucking difference breath. Yeah

Well, man, you guys are right, man. I think the energy is different not only inside the stadium, but with the black hole itself this year. I've been like, yo, guys, you guys, as a lot of you know, we're going to be at the Golden Nugget, you know, this year we got a store opening up. We got things that are planned out for the whole season. I know Jeff, I can't wait to see you in New England. And you know, we're going to throw down in New England. I know.

Leo, I'm trying to make it back for the season opener, bro, to see you down there. I can't do what you did Vegas right after that, but we'll see what happens, man. I'm telling you, man, the energy is different, not only inside, but outside. And it looks like this. I'm like, there's accountability in the building. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's be real, be careful bringing that knowledge, bringing that experience, man. It's bringing a different type of energy, not only to

Speaker 2 (09:00.931)
Yeah

Speaker 1 (09:12.812)
the team, but to the fan base. And now it gives us some legitimacy, especially in this conference, man. You're talking about a conference that has Super Bowl winning coaches. Now we have Super Bowl winning coach. We have a Super Bowl winning coach. We have a guy that can build a winning tradition and has done it at every single stop.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, he's proven he can do it. Right? It's not just height And I think with AP was a lot caught up on the height and there was a lot of an experience there You know, I believed in the hype I felt it it brought back a lot of the nation back to the team, know to get that shit going again But the experience wasn't there the accountability, you know How many times after a game like why don't we run the damn ball and then the coach will be on the press conference? I wanted to run the ball. Why fuck didn't you you know?

Speaker 1 (10:06.478)
You're not calling the shots. I'll be like I guess I get you trust your coordinators, but you're the head coach

Right, right, right. I guess the thing that bugged me about AP was the fact that it was it was basically a fan that was the coach in the team. You know, I mean, he was a fan before, you know, he was a player in the NFL and everything. So it was being like one of us, you know, becoming the head coach, because I mean, I think any one of us probably could have done probably just as good of a job. You know,

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That's last time I checked, you know me as the professional armchair general manager of the Las Vegas Raiders as I like to say Because I am the armchair general manager the senior right? Yeah, ap was just ap was cool He was a breath of fresh air and I think he was a breath of fresh air only because fans Felt like they could relate to him, especially fans in California Because you know, I remember being me know me being from California and this guy's

pulling up to coach the game and he's pulling up in a six four and Paula. It's hard not to get excited about that. Right. And then some of the games start happening and when you, see the record and you start seeing the Impala again, as your records going down, you start feeling a little bit different. You start being like, well, cares what this guy's stupid car, you know,

Speaker 1 (11:38.104)
Yeah

Like that was cool in the off season, right? Like that was cool. Yeah. the regular season, I don't need to see that shit all the time. Yeah, I get it. Oh my God, in the honeymoon phase.

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:49.451)
And that's

I think, I think AP showed just a lot of, I think he showed what ended up becoming a problem later on with his, his time management, his clock management, especially in preseason. kind of saw glimpses of that in preseason where he was leaving time on clock or, know, he just, he just wasn't using all of his time. And I couldn't understand why he was doing that preseason. I thought it was maybe due to situational training and awareness that he was trying to just put the team in different situations to have them do different things.

And then I just realized in the season that he just had no idea what the fuck he was doing.

Speaker 3 (12:28.387)
The actual

Speaker 1 (12:34.637)
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:38.434)
I can't be too bad. I mean, Marvin Lewis was just as bad as that, too. So.

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But let me break it up like this, man. I mean, like, dude, what did we expect from a rookie head coach? You expect that's gonna come in and just be flawless, not make mistakes. That's ridiculous, bro. We expected this guy to come in and be the savior of the team. We expected this

He had momentum rolling into the you know into the second half of the season before so you thought that momentum which is gonna build a little bit more especially after a draft and

Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (13:21.868)
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Linebacker coach linebacker

Speaker 2 (13:32.632)
Right, not that man.

Speaker 2 (13:44.11)
You know what bored me the most bro was the amount of coaches that we paid that didn't do anything And by those I mean was the the veteran um coaches that came in to help right like what the fuck did Joe Philbin do? What the fuck with um, what's his name? Marvin Lewis? Oh, what do they do? All right Phil Philbin, I'll defend him on this one. Of course you will Once he was put in charge of it

Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (14:13.162)
after they fired whatever the hell you get. But why wait till you were in charge is what I'm saying. If you were there as an advisor from the get go. If he wasn't in charge of the offensive line, how's he gonna be, how can he be in that position? Like how can he say anything if someone else is going in that position? He might've had an input and they might've just blown him off because hey, that's the new position so back off. You you don't know what the dynamics was inside the building or inside the coach's office at that point. But as soon as.

As soon as Getty was let go and that other kid was that other guy was going the offensive line coach. I remember his name. That's how much of an impact he was. No, once he took over the offensive line, that line started playing better from that point on that and the fact that Colton Miller was healing better. Yeah, you know they started adjusting and moving people around. They changed the city with the center. Yeah.

Have you ever heard the term of too many chiefs, not enough Indians?

And that was exactly what I was telling people because it reminded me of like when I was in the military of like having all these officers and chiefs would didn't know but they were just there because they were like the stars, you know, or the anchors that were around the building and they were the ones that would but they were just too many of them so that the one dude who had to get the job done get it done. Head coaches were on this rock coaching staff. It was insane. Jesus, there were so many.

So how do you listen? mean, like as a rookie head coach thinking about it, right? I don't know, like if you guys have coach, like I said, I'm like as a rookie head coach, who, how do you decide who you're listening to as you're talking to Marvin Lewis, as you're talking to Joe, as you're talking to every single guy and saying, Hey, you know, who do I listen to? I'm sure his head was getting pulled so many different.

Speaker 2 (15:57.996)
Guess he's philosophy was different probably than say Philbin, right?

And we talked about it. Like, let's look at this. What happens if we get Kingsburg?

Is our offensive innovation higher? I'll be like, we it the scream play. We knew what we were getting with Getzi and we still hired him. That was the set.

Maybe at that point remember cuz they didn't want to give cliff that extra year Well a year a year bro a year a year, you know, yeah, that's crazy big dog Yeah, but I mean like we said though, we're focused on on now and that's what makes this year a lot different, What's this food doing right there? What's he playing with? Looks like you got his patches Your patches well, I got that one

for a year.

Speaker 1 (16:39.308)
Yes

Speaker 2 (16:45.614)
My best I just figured you know what at least I'll have something the black hole behind me you know I legit only have the shirt that came in the box, which is getting washed Whatever Steven and Marlene gave me when we did the the event up north yeah And that's the shirt you're wearing

Right.

Speaker 1 (17:12.886)
I mean like, hey, I got you, but you just start picking up stuff as you go. And I mean, like at the end of the day, bro, we're just happy to have you, bro. We're happy to have you guys and add you guys to the team. And I mean, like, I can really see like why they added you guys and why.

No, I will, I will, I will.

Speaker 2 (17:31.074)
Excited for being part of this now. I wish I'm ago jet Jeff I met Jeff through another person that had another club and just to avoid talking about like whatever but to see Jeff now being in charge of the black hole New England and Bringing it back and then the minute he took over Now there's a whole full-on pardon, you know for everyone that's coming to the first game You know if you're coming to that first game, that's the one you're gonna want to go to, you know

I'm gonna be a child to whatever time and that's gonna be the big party, you know the other chapter president for the New England. Yeah Everybody We're in New England we're coming to you so no pressure though, but here's everything for you. It's like goddamn I Had everything I had everything set before it was all official official

What do you got planned Jeff real quick for that?

Speaker 2 (18:30.86)
So on for the black hole itself for the weekend on Saturday night on Saturday afternoon from five o'clock to nine o'clock, we're going to be at Blake's Cavern in downtown Providence, Rhode Island. It's a closed private party. So they're closing their restaurant or their business for those four hours. So no one from the public is getting in. It's strictly people that are coming to the party. Black hole members.

Raiders against the world are gonna be part of this too with the help with the promotion to get it out there They'll be on the flyer for that also I've talked with Mike a lot too. So he's definitely coming out and that goes until nine o'clock As far as we're gonna have Modelo is gonna be on in the house so they've got it on draft already there They're gonna bring it all the different don't forget my Modelo Negro big dog. They're gonna have it all

Yes, with the liquor distributor or the sales rep for there. She's been in touch with the place that handles all the advertising in Vegas through Modelo and she's going to get banners made up. She's going to get all kinds of promotional items. I'm trying to see what else I can get from her for like giveaways or whatever. And then on Saturday, Sunday, we've got the game, obviously.

The tailgate, there's nothing planned for a tailgate right now. So, because I don't have the setup to run a tailgate, like as far as grills, the whole nine yards, you know, it'd be different if I lived in Vegas type of thing or in Oakland at the time, that'd be different. But here I'm not, obviously I'm not a patch fan, so I don't have the whole tailgate set up, you know, so we're not doing a tailgate right now.

Mark said to just concentrate on doing it big for the Saturday party and we'll go from there. I'm still trying to see what we can do as far as the tailgate. But that's the plan as far as the black hole stuff. Now know Will's got some stuff going on while you're So if you go on Jeff's New England, the black hole New England page, you'll see the whole space that we're gonna be at, right? So this is it right here, it's Blake's, right?

Speaker 4 (20:40.779)
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:53.602)
the

I they got more grittos

that we had the picture of the food we actually the owner bought us lunch while we were there so yeah he's excited to have us there first of all but I went with a Philly cheesesteak the guy that I brought with me my buddy Dave now he's from California he spent a lot of time out in California so and he's he's uh he's I think he's part Mexican so he knows Mexican food and so he said I'm gonna order the fajitas

He had it. had it. let them. But the 22 wait. Time out. Time out. You know what? I'm going to leave it alone. I'm going leave it alone. No, no. The owner said to us, she goes, Mexican food's actually pretty damn good. And I kind of looked at her weird. I'm like, these are people coming from the West Coast. They used to Mexican food. I don't want to say, hey, try the Mexican food here. First of all, they're going to be coming to the East Coast. They're going to want to try the seafood. That's the is. I gave everybody a

Everybody her entire kitchen staff are all Mexican. She goes they know how to cook Mexican food I'm not a long. I'm not I'm not saying it I'm keeping I'm being nice But now man, that's cool I'm looking forward to it like you said Mike is a big you know Raiders against the world shout out to him, bro

Speaker 1 (22:06.784)
Yeah

Speaker 2 (22:29.004)
He's linking up with with the black hole doing a lot of the promotion that dude's damn near messaging me every week convincing me. So like let's go. Let's go. Why are you?

Basically giving me the damn room like all you gotta do is give me this and you know fuck and I was like damn when you put it that way I might just go right You can't know because we have you can't go to Yeah, it'll be different it's a different style

on the yourselves.

Speaker 3 (23:03.458)
California for seafood though

Speaker 3 (23:09.71)
Okay, Jeff, hear me out Jeff. The next time you go to California, order, don't just order any seafood order ceviche. You never had it.

Sam.

you gotta go to right spot though bro you gotta go to the right spot yeah don't go

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would tell you like this man, Boston is gonna be a blast.

Speaker 2 (23:36.238)
sucks on the west coast. That's like coming to Providence, Rhode Island and finding the closest olive garden instead of going up on Federal Hill and going to exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But but what they were saying is that we were known for seafood, but it's different. It's a different style. Even when you go to San Fran, you go to the wharf. I love their seafood. I love the crab there. It's just different.

Sorry, man. I'm gonna tell you like this,

Tell him a long time a lot Yeah, I want she less ceviche yeah, bro You a fan of the West Coast Jeff Now JD's over here with dude moderate kick-ass seafood. Mm-hmm. Yeah, bro What we know about

Hey, it's like our brother Jason. Hey, look, I'm gonna tell you like this. You gotta go out and try the New England clam chowder. You gotta go out there. You gotta try the seafood on both coasts, And you gotta travel with your Raiders family as you do it. And I'm gonna tell you something, everything tastes a little bit better that way. I never heard about all you can eat on the West Coast seafood for $120 or $140.

What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (24:57.422)
There's an all you can eat. Hey, I'm gonna tell you guys like this. Raider Will, when he goes to New England, there's a secret spot out there that we are planning with a group of Raider's fans. Do you know? Go to the all you can eat seafood place and I'll be like, yo, I can't wait. It's gonna be a totally different taste, but I love tasting the food from coast to coast.

Bro's Town.

Speaker 2 (25:25.082)
And you too. That's what I love about traveling when I go to New Orleans like Jason said that Cajun boil I Had I had had gumbo over here in Cali, but when I had it in New Orleans, I'm never eating it in Cali again You know like it was just way different, right? I've had I've had actually authentic gumbo up here believe it or not because

And this was at the firehouse. One of the guys came in. He's from Louisiana and he cooked for lunch one day at the station. my God. One of the best things I've ever eaten. was tremendous.

Jeff when we fly in, where's the first place we gotta eat when we hit bust?

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Thank you.

Speaker 2 (26:37.87)
Well, you're be in Boston. don't know. There's only that one restaurant that I know of and that's only because it's one of my wife's clients That lost area. I don't know. Can you explain with those of us who aren't from that area? See in my mind. I thought Gillette was in Boston Gillette's about 45 minutes away from Boston. What 20 minutes from my house? So if I just go up

couple of streets and then just a long route one. I'm at the stadium already. Okay. And then there's also a train, right? If I remember correctly, that's the other thing I thank you for reminding me. Anybody that is coming out here for this game, there is a commuter rail that runs from the city of Providence to July. So Mike was telling me, yeah, it drops you off at the back of the stadium. Then there's also a train that runs from Providence to Boston. And then there's the commuter rail that runs from Boston to Providence.

So on Saturday, that's a big deal. If you're staying in Boston and you don't want to rent the car, take an Uber, take the train, it'll drop you off right in downtown Providence. You're like two blocks away from the, from the location of the party. That makes sense too. And then there's the commuter rail train that goes from Boston right to Gillette. So in the last train out of Providence going back to Boston is like 11 o'clock at night. So party ends at nine.

You can hop that train put them up right away and get right back to Boston save you a shit ton of money on uber and rentals, too Yeah, that's a good part too, and Boston's got a legit subway system up there, too So you can get around the city pretty easy because you don't want to drive through Boston. It's a freaking nightmare. I'd rather drive through New York City and rush hour traffic Drive through Boston

I found it really interesting about how close everything is. I thought Boston was going to be far away from Rhode Island, but it's literally like what, a 60 mile drive?

Speaker 3 (28:58.222)
I was gonna say anybody in chat man. If you guys have any questions about About about you know week one definitely this time try and go ahead and get them out No matter what they are how big or small no no questions a stupid question So, you know go ahead throw them out there cuz Jeff's just gonna be be a great host I won't be able to make it to New England, know, I'm saying with my son situation, but Definitely definitely, you know hit up Jeff, you know follow them whatever

You know, get as much information from Jeff as possible, man, because week one, it's going to be crazy, man. It's going to be a real, real, real crazy week one on the East coast.

It is, I mean, because it's obviously the kickoff for the season. mean, this is going to tell us everything that first game. Especially because we're going up against another team that I guess some feels kind of like where we are, right? They got a quarterback. got a better coach. They definitely improved overall. The big talk around here is.

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:00.43)
You know, how well the question, Nathan, I'm kind of hesitant to ask Nathan what his question is.

Yeah. Just to let you guys know also when we fly in Thursday, we will have a group of Raiders fans going around the city touring around doing all sorts of just Raider stuff together. We have a duck tour boat that we already got. We got the Godzilla boat that's we're going to do. We're doing that on Friday or on Saturday. We're doing the Godzilla boat on Friday. We are going to do the duck tour boat in the Freedom Trail.

Speaker 2 (30:26.22)
Doing that on Thursday?

Speaker 2 (30:38.334)
the

Yeah, we're gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (30:57.883)
Yeah, maybe who knows put me on a horse. Let's The Raiders are coming. I'm gonna be like the Raiders are coming the Raiders are coming

Well, the funny thing is that cigar bar I told you about, right down the street is Sam Adams' original house still stands. Sam Adams is from there. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, while you're up there to check out the USS Constitution, it's the oldest commission. I mean, Leo should know about it, I'm sure. The Constitution. Yeah. That's still I I wasn't old enough to serve on that one.

So.

Speaker 1 (31:34.615)
We know you were out there serving on that one day.

It's a it's a commission's position in the Navy you actually do tours on that ship still there's still an actual commander on that ship damn He said don't eat pizza and Cali don't eat Mexican in New York and don't eat case

We go to Louisiana.

you

That's funny, but yeah, man if you guys have questions Jeff has got to hit up where do babies come from we don't Maybe there are stupid questions after all He said Jeff what is your favorite museum me and my girl are trying to plant the Boston Museum of Science for sure Although you are still a little kid the Boston Children's Museum wouldn't be bad either

Speaker 1 (32:04.557)
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:09.646)
Speaker 2 (32:22.382)
The other way, you know, you're not going to get them. Now, Boston Museum of Science, which is where the tour starts. So, Will, you'll be there when you do the duck tour. The duck tour, duck tour.

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It's a boat that goes the old two duck boats. Yeah. Ah. Maybe landing crafts. Yeah. They got those. They drive around the city on a tour. Then you go actually go into the Charles River with it. Oh, That's what Red Sox when they won their first World Series after 1918. It's almost recent. The first one. What's your score prediction on week one? Oof. Good one. Good one. Twenty-four fourteen. Who? Raiders.

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Speaker 2 (33:06.03)
What?

That's a good score.

Okay.

Hey, Cheeto, go ahead, bro. Go ahead. I'll take a...

I think we went out one 2117. It's gonna be a nail biter. Yeah, all right young squads to tough squads. Yeah. here we go. I can only imagine Give me the

Speaker 2 (33:35.566)
Points on game one bro down

And you know what? I'm not as hopeful. like, I'm looking at 17-14. We squeaked by with the win with the kick. Fourth quarter, nail biter. somehow, Carlson comes out there and booms like a 44 yarder. And we storm at a freaking Foxboro screaming, yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Myra Myra, what's up girl? What's up girl? Yeah area And they got an event coming up this week to look up talk about that in a bit as well, but um, Wait a 24 got a question. What made you become hosts?

Okay.

Speaker 1 (34:20.524)
So who wants to

the

Don't want to say why he's here I I've been to Vegas I Spent to the games. I love our new stadium, but I don't like the the environment atmosphere So what made me want to do this was kind of bring more people together I guess in a way, you know, I Messed with a lot of the booster clubs different ones

You know now that I am a member of the black hole, you know Still it doesn't mean I'll stop hanging out with all the other ones and doing their things I met Myra was from the Bay bringing back that Bay Area vibe, you know, I have friends who do the LA one. Um People that I've met in Vegas. I think we should get all together, know raw Raiders against the world what he's trying to do So I think me is just bringing a bunch more Raider fans So that when this team starts winning again that we are gonna be there and then just black it out Obviously, it's never gonna be the same

I tell people that, we need to bring it back. It's never gonna be the same again. It's not gonna be Oakland. It's not gonna be LA. It's gonna be Vegas. But it's up to us what we're gonna make it basically. But that's why I decided to do this.

Speaker 1 (35:42.946)
James, you want to go or you want me to go?

Repeat it one more time. I'm so sorry.

What made you become a host? I want you to become a host.

Okay, well I just come out here and have fun I got appointed by I got appointed by will and Cheeto Because I just think that they think I bring some fire to the chat Oftentimes I get the chat pretty spicy up in here. Yeah Nice and spicy shout out money Chuck if he's in here, but I don't think he's in here. He's favorite He's easily my best friend

Check

Speaker 3 (36:21.006)
Easy to leave my best friend. I got tons of best friends in here. But yeah, no, I just like to come on here and You know hang out with the guys man, and I mean like I said, I'm just a guy I'm just armchair gender manager with an opinion You know, I just come out here and have fun

Speaker 2 (36:40.165)
Okay, okay, okay my watered-down fans see what I

Speaker 1 (36:51.138)
So man, for me, the reason I became a host of this and I begged and pleaded for this, I've been with the Black Hole longer than the rest of the host on the cast here. I mean, for me, man, it's what it brought to me. The Black Hole has brought so many good friends, so many good memories, so many people have been brought together by this.

by this shield here, this, you know, this, pads, emblem. Right, right, right. people together from, all different colors, backgrounds, you know, it doesn't matter. And that's what I love about it. And then when Mark gave us the opportunity, you know, I reached out and everybody had been telling him and he said, you know what guys, I'm going to give you guys the blessing to go ahead and do a podcast panel.

get your crew together. I couldn't think of a better crew to get together. You know, I'm like, we all have an investment in the black hole. We all love Raider Nation and we all want to grow and grow this in a positive manner. that's the reason I joined it. And I really wanted to do it with everybody else, you know, to just show, hey, we're bigger than that and we're all together. And I want to show the strength of TBH and Raider Nation together,

true.

That's why I did it.

Speaker 2 (38:23.278)
I'll answer for real now. He said Jeff is still looking for his chugs. Yeah, it should be like right about here somewhere in the screen, that little window.

I guess I'm pretty much here because they needed someone that's old and distinguished looking. How could you say you're wearing a crocodile Dundee hat bro? When I knew that this was going to be a thing, I just knew this was going to be a great way to

grow the black hole to something even bigger. mean, it's huge as it is. This is another avenue for us to draw more fans into, know, from Raider Nation into becoming part of the black hole and just help this grow, help these newer chapters. you know, the chapter on I took over is already an existing one that's been since 2016. They just haven't had a president for the last couple of years.

And so I'm pretty much just taking over that chapter. Leo on the other hand, he started a whole brand new chapter. So he's gonna go through the real growing phase. this will help. People will see this, fans will see this and hopefully that'll draw attention to his chapter. People that might not be familiar that there's a chapter in that area right now. He's still in the early stages of getting it up and running and.

Right, right, right.

Speaker 2 (40:04.088)
you'll start to see advertisements for it and promotions on Instagram. It'll be mentioned on our shows, his show, I'm sure. It'll be mentioned here, obviously. So this is a way to just grow everything. Even James doing the military chapter. I'm sure there's a bunch of fans out there that are still in the, fans that are in the military that aren't even aware that that's even a thing. And this is another way for them to be part of this.

you know, to be able to have another place to, you know, express their Raider fandom, you know, and same thing with Will, you know, I mean, he's already got his show that he does, you know, which spreads the word, and now we're just doing it in this field where we've We're just here to spread the Raider gospel.

for y'all. Yeah, we're here let you guys know exactly what's going on from the front lines. I'll be like, we are in the president's meetings. We are everything. So we want to let you guys know. So hey, guys, we

Even if y'all have like ideas or suggestions with the stuff we bring in, you know, I'll take that back, man

Exactly. We want to bring it back. We want to tell people, hey, we want to tell the people that are in charge, guys, this is what we're looking at. We want to make it better. We want Raider Nation to come out and feel invited at every single event, man.

Speaker 2 (41:29.454)
Like Mara said, no more watered down fans,

DAD

But to answer your question bueno actually we are the works of that bro. I am just now finding out There's more clubs here in the IE than I knew and they're reaching out on collabing Which is gonna be great. Like I said, it's gonna be good just to get everyone together But the first official black hole and then Empire one is probably gonna end up being the Seattle game That preseason game. It'll probably be that one at the spot the spot in Riverside I just got to get with Mike from Raider nations against the world

Finalize all those details, but yeah, that's probably gonna be the first one that we're gonna do as an official black hole in an empire Event like any other things or you guys know I go all over you know I'm gonna do the beach thing and a couple weeks with with Mike and a bunch of other people and I'm gonna do a little thing with MC Raider at another spot so definitely be all over and then like you said we're just here to get get everyone together man get this thing going

Shout out MC Raider if you guys don't know who he is make sure you guys give him a follow. That's a really cool dude right there

Speaker 2 (42:35.054)
Yeah, he's a really really cool dude, man. Yeah. See and I keep hearing about the golden Knights and Nathan brought it up earlier We need to get that golden Knights energy with the Raiders Yeah from what I heard is they're less corny and a lot of people feel that what they're doing in base is kind of corny. Yeah

Hey Myra, we agree, no more super dork costumes.

Yeah

man, that's crazy. Y'all crazy.

Hey, should we go ahead and let them know about the TBH Express Larchito?

Speaker 1 (43:19.281)
I'll it. get it.

Now

Come on, Grandpa.

But you know what but before we do that I want to have a little fun with y'all

All your old parts.

Speaker 1 (43:28.181)
Here we go.

I'll bring it up right now for this. I saw this and I'm interested on y'all's take on the chat stick. So the bleacher report had a Raiders Mount Rushmore since 2000, right? And these are the four names they came up with. Edge Max Crosby, quarterback Rich Gannon, kicker Sebastian Janachowski, and of course the GOAT, Charles Woodson. Now since 2000.

Mm.

I'm talking between now and last season. Those are the four goats they would put on their Mount Rushmore. What do y'all think? As Raider fans. First of all, think whoever designed that doesn't even know what Max Crosby looks like, because that ain't him. I didn't even look at that, for real. That ain't him. And Charles Woodson, that ain't really him either. The only one that looks like the real person is Gannon.

And that's only because of the hair. Yeah. I don't agree with it. I'll just say that.

Speaker 1 (44:33.423)
Speaker 3 (44:38.574)
I got a couple I disagree with.

Okay, yeah. Gravy there is a Central Valley one. I'll tell you who.

Go ahead.

There is

Who don't you agree with, James?

Speaker 3 (44:54.655)
I don't I don't necessarily agree with Ganon Crosby because I think I

I think over again and I think I'd rather have like, maybe I'd like Tim Brown.

Myra mentioned it too. I said the same well, I wouldn't even have Tim Brown oversee bass

I think I'm okay with leaving Sebastian Kasky there because he was the only person scoring points for like fucking 15 years. So

It's not wrong.

Speaker 3 (45:28.94)
I mean, I mean, you everybody remembers he went out there and kicked that fucking 60 yard field goal drunk off his ass in Oakland.

A fucking kicker bro, fucking kicker

That's Mike fucking Gunny. Yo, so I'm gonna put it like this, man. I'm like, the sad thing is for me, if you're on the Mount Rushmore, you either have to have a yellow jacket.

Yeah

Bye!

Speaker 2 (45:54.04)
Chat, put yours up there.

or you have to have some rings, right? So we obviously-

And it's well, we're talking about Raiders after 2000 there hasn't been

But I'll be like, you're talking about Rushmore, That means you're going to be a great, that means you're like a dude that is etched in Raiders history, right? So I'll be like, how many guys since 2000 that you see guys that are going to be etched in Raiders history?

Right.

Speaker 2 (46:23.206)
And I'm glad you said that because I've caught in some slack sometimes. You know what? We glorify our players back in the Oakland days that even though we were having losing seasons, they're considered Raider greats. And I'm like, in what way, bro? Like.

And I look at it like this, man, and I mean, like, don't get me wrong, we have had some great players.

We're passing

scanning Crosby Brown.

Like you talk about Tim Brown, you talk about a guy on that much. You talk about how we Lincoln Lincoln. Lincoln since 2000. What year was he with us?

Speaker 2 (47:01.178)
You know

Speaker 2 (47:04.938)
if Lincoln is hanging you right now, bro, you just had him on your show, you know

the

But I'd be like, you're like, like when you're with you, like, wait a minute, what year was? I could see.

I

I a popular hot take. got a hot take. Jeff's gonna love this one. Jeff's gonna love this one.

Speaker 2 (47:25.48)
He's clutching his butt cheeks like a walnut right now before I get ready to start talking.

What if what if we took out Ganon and we put for the franchise leading quarterback of that time from Derek Carr? Wow.

putting him.

Speaker 1 (47:45.102)
No, no, bro. No, Derek. He's a I don't care.

Franchise leader, okay

Hold on hold on hold on on hold on. I'll let you guys are you ready? yeah, we're clear Hold on James. So we're talking about rich Gannon league MVP took us to championship games and a Super Bowl right now We're talking about Derek Clark Derek Clark team was his best year leaves the team the franchise in passing numbers stuff like that, right obviously

I didn't play like two years

Speaker 3 (48:09.582)
Cheers.

Speaker 2 (48:19.286)
When it comes to that, I think you have to remember eras as well. We're in a more past happy era, right? You throw the ball a lot more. how many of those yards were in garbage time? How many of those games were we being blown out? I get what you're saying. I love their car. I did. I really, really thought I was a huge there. A car fan. I know I p my bro, my boy, John. I gives me crap all the time because I was right. But at the same time, when you're talking about Montrush mores, I thought the same.

2000 he was our dude in the 2000 when you think about a Raiders quarterback because he solidified that position for so So I kind of see what you were going at James why I would put him up there but about over Gannon

Okay, Jerry Rice over again.

See, I struggle with that because I consider Rice a minor still.

I do too. He doesn't have the stats as a raider to- OOF

Speaker 2 (49:16.846)
Josh Jacobs, thank you Michael

Speaker 2 (49:27.608)
Yeah, yeah, go ahead, I don't disagree with the car, to be honest with you. You don't agree with car? I don't disagree with the car. OK, OK, OK. Ooh! D-word! Because in all honesty, he's right. I mean, he's the number one quarterback for us, statistic-wise. Yes, not in the win-loss column. Definitely not that. But when you look at just overall playing ability and what, I mean, how can you argue that?

Yeah, both be up there. Okay, but I will say my rush ma First one without a doubt Rod Woodson. No toys about it. He's definitely right on woods Okay, like what's in is up there okay Charles was definitely number one. I agree with I Will stick with Max Crosby on that being on that on that mountain

ROG?

I mean, I just...

Speaker 2 (50:26.636)
I think there's one that you guys keep overlooking that I think should be on there and left the team in the wrong way. Nandi Asimov. I thought you were gonna say.

the- the- the-

That's another one I brought up. I think I brought it up in that yeah, like how made this and how did they leave Nambi out? Yeah And then if I'm gonna throw another name into this mix I know somebody said Lincoln Kennedy, but the only problem is Lincoln Kennedy was only No, no he played until 2003 so I mean he was there for those years I Look at a guy that was there for a little bit longer

Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:10.542)
I might have to go with exactly. You know what? don't know. don't know. Khalil Mack. No, no, no. I just I know. I'm out. Flag on the play. Where's those flags Queen gave me? How do you not include Khalil Mack? Easy watch. I don't think he's on there.

Well, I'm gonna tell you like.

Is he the best player? Do you consider Khalil Mapp better than Max Crosby?

In his prime, I think mac was because macri. Yeah, I think so. I think

Do you think Max Crosby has hit his prime?

Speaker 2 (51:55.99)
Not yet, but we're not talking about what you could be talking about what you've done

Okay

I think he's approaching his prime though.

He's approaching his prime. Yeah.

From what I see is like, could see what you guys are saying, but I think right now.

Speaker 2 (52:10.414)
Later Will would be the passing yards leader if you played.

the

Salute, brother!

Speaker 2 (52:24.846)
Mean I look at it as like longevity type thing. That's I can't say Lincoln Kennedy only played into you know, he only played three years into the 2000 I guess that would be the other part right? have to like how many years do you have to be here? Yeah, but he was he only played the first two years into the tooth. Yeah, that's what I'm saying Jason. We need a name criteria. Yeah

Speaker 1 (52:53.166)
longevity I think longevity is what gets the bastion Janakowski he was there

Yeah, how do you forget Nambi

He wasn't with us for very long. How long was he with us for?

NAMI?!

He was with us for over over past year the rookie contract. It was when he had to resign That's seven years, bro

Speaker 1 (53:16.302)
It's like seven years, bro.

Speaker 1 (53:21.324)
Seven years out of your, like how long was the Polish canon with us?

Hey, I got I got two more names. I want throw into the mix right now

Speaker 1 (53:33.141)
fuck.

that was that was one I was gonna say okay that was one the ones I was gonna say all right other honorable mention since we're talking about CBAS Shane Leckler

Okay.

Speaker 2 (53:44.724)
my God. Another kicker. Another kicker. Mind you, get you. Leckler. Leckler was the shit, bro. He was. He really was. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah, bro.

Hunter.

Speaker 1 (53:54.926)
And that's the hard part. Like we're looking, what is that criteria?

Israel beast mode I love beast mode right, but I only wear that Jersey not because Because I get to wear one because he wore one as a writer because I love them as a player does that make sense? can never see But there's so many different names you can throw in there. mean you still haven't said McFadden McFadden was about to see that tree crap tree thing crap she was balling with us, man Zach

Stay that one. Hey, Crockett.

Speaker 1 (54:28.494)
Crocket. Agreed.

Crockett? Gardner?

Charlie Garner. That's a good one. That's a good one. Who said is this soccer?

That's a name right there.

Speaker 1 (54:54.702)
So what's our criteria?

Nobody's mentioned this really what about Colton Miller? Damn and I think that has a lot to do my be so quiet Rodney was a good one, right?

the- the- the-

You know who's gonna be up there? We're talking about what they could be JPJ is gonna be up there. Yeah

JPJ, possibilities.

Speaker 2 (55:24.718)
Yeah, Rodney Hudson was with us for six seasons. He was here from 2014 to 2020. Yeah, that's good. That's a good run at centers. The starter every season. Yeah.

Yeah.

There you go, bro Darren Waller not a CDs my way not there a waller he was balling before he crashed out That was cars weapon Darren Waller yeah for one season Then Jason went and came in it was more than one season, bro

It was one season where him and Renfro blew up and then they both... Renfro? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but again, Renfro again. Not a guy that got a lot of playing time. Come on, eyes. McClane, not McClane. McClane.

Hey, you know, you're not just wrestling with the best draft pick

Speaker 2 (56:30.695)
You forgot Napoleon Harris, isn't that a great one? Right?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He had like four good years. That's what I'm saying. We had like four good years. Or as Aunt Six would say if he's here, kufmin. Kufmin. Kufmin. Kufmin. Yeah.

Tom cable? Tom cable!

the

Yeah, Kufman was more 90s yours off a Kasi go ahead,

Speaker 1 (57:16.028)
I got

Speaker 3 (57:20.076)
What about what about Tyrone Wheatley?

Tyrone Wheatley.

He had a couple good seasons, but not

I think with Tyrone because we mainly use him him and Zach for red zone type stuff. Yes

Someone.

Speaker 1 (57:35.591)
fuck you randy when he went to the jeez

Hahaha!

That's the fucking that's the comment bro. That's the funniest comment all day

A, B, Arnett, Leatherwood, Tyree, Randy when he went to the Patriots

I

Speaker 3 (57:55.168)
Hey, fuck it. Zay Jones for the miracle wild card season.

and

and then you never heard of him again

it is funny that we were not mentioning too many defenders I think we've only mentioned Max Mac what's in nom nom nom yeah

I'd be like really thinkin hard for us defensively. where I'm like, where's are we looking at? We just 30 or

Speaker 2 (58:33.632)
Heyward Bay on two games

What? Hey, would pay to...

Look at this guy, James Wilkins. Say Wilkins. Where'd you go? I think he took himself off. Yeah. He's not even in the studio. right here. No, no. well, yeah, I'd say Ganon. Okay. So all I says Ganon, Mack Woodson and car. I'd be cool with that.

my god!

Speaker 2 (59:08.866)
I still think I I can work with that when I know that one would make me feel better about it. Yeah. Whoa. Here comes they are. I was a super chat. How can Mac not be there in four seasons? Three time pro bowlers, two time all pro one time to position. No other player has done that and defensive MVP. That's what I'm saying. That was why I was outraged that Mac wasn't on it. And if you go in that chat,

Lightly it's gonna piss you off because people will tell you why they think that Mac did not deserve to be on that list. Uh-huh But yeah, I appreciate you appreciate you AR yeah, I think I was just I mean

point

That's definitely a point.

His stats warrant him being there. I get it, but I was looking more of a longevity. That's all

Speaker 1 (01:00:02.126)
Yeah, I mean like if we're looking at stats is one thing if we're looking at longevity, what what's the criteria?

But I think for the impact he had as a Raider you've got him you have to yeah I'll give you that like when was the last time you were so excited about a defensive player? a Max cross not Not named Max Crosby, but it was Khalil Mack. Yeah How many of us have Khalil Mack jerseys that were just

and cool.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28.237)
Well, and then.

Christian Wilkinson, he got signed.

Man so I only got one Jersey. That's it. I've been wanted in years and I'm not gonna He's got a Robert Galleri Jersey. His rookie air and then once he just Pedaled out. I'm like, I'm never wearing it again and I'm never buying a jersey of a new player ever again JPJ though, but I mean I thought that was pretty interesting

Please.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04.29)
You when I saw that list and I wanted to know what you guys thought you know as as you know Raider fans and what the people thought in the chat because when I saw bleacher report came up with that like who in bleacher report like came up with that list.

and mo mo at bleacher report mo moan

I hope I was like I hope Moe was involved and if he was I might be a little disappointed that he didn't include Cleo Mac

It depends on what his criteria was. He might be looking at longevity. He might be looking at the impact that they made on the team. It's just so many different things.

That's true, that's true, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44.366)
Jason Campbell.

the

Yes, sir.

Okay.

This camera already

Speaker 2 (01:02:04.258)
Would you say Jeff? had that in the down below to be presented, but I just deleted it because you put yours up so you did.

I'm proud of it.

Hey Chad, what we think about putting Terrell Pryor up there?

Relax

Speaker 2 (01:02:23.182)
And I think this is the people why people don't want Mac and to me that doesn't justify Why you don't want him up there? I forgot who I was watching or what I was watching But they were talking about the dark side of the NFL that we don't know his fans is the money. No, I was watching a baseball documentary That's what I was watching the one about the Red Sox and It was about how when no more and they were gonna trade no more and Manny and all that stuff Cuz they're gonna bring in a rod and they're like the part that fans don't understand is that dark side of it

Financial part, you know the stuff they offer you how disrespected you feel as an athlete when you forger your love whatever to this team, right and Then you get like well, he didn't stay here He should have took the money when that's all here say that we hear you know We hear that him and John Gruden began along, you know, that's why he's gone. He wanted too much money There's no way we could have paid car and him, you know, how are we gonna do that? It's just so much but

To use that as reason to not include him as one of the greater greats to me is Christ.

For me, it's not even about that, man. mean, like, I think in it like this, this is a business.

Yeah, it's a huge business side of it. Yeah

Speaker 1 (01:03:33.452)
know what I mean? Like, they're trying to feed whoever they got in their families, and I'm not going to take anything less than I think what I'm worth work at work. what whatever they do for me, I think it just depends on the qualifications that you're looking for. If you're looking for impact, absolutely. But if you're talking about longevity, and saying, Hey, man, I'm looking for a guy that had about eight to 10 year career with the team, he just didn't make that, you know, he made an impact in his time.

Right,

Absolutely.

the

Hey, how much longer are you guys going to We got 10 minutes left.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17.934)
Yeah, we got a couple. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna bring up the The one we'll wanted to talk about then I'll let you do one if you got but this is something we wanted to bring up This came out from our last President's meeting right will

Yes, sir. Hey guys, we got the black hole express coming from Phoenix, LA and which other station, you know, do you remember?

I remember he said LA, Phoenix, and I can't remember the other it Yuma? No, not Yuma. No, Phoenix is Arizona. Yeah. No, I know that. Was it Colorado? And then I said Colorado. What's in Colorado?

No, no, no, I think it's like Northern California or something like that or Northern.

It might be Northern Cali. It might be Northern Cali. I can't remember what city it was We'll get the info once it comes out but yeah this express where I'm telling you Those of us who live here in LA have been wanting one for the longest people have tried You know their own way their own club their own business, know, one they don't have the promotion or the following Maybe they make it work. But this with the black hole and the people he has linking it

Speaker 1 (01:05:05.902)
We'll get there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30.602)
This is in LA. It's happening at Yamaha Working with Yamaha with the casino so going from there to Vegas and I'm assuming either at Fremont or at the palms because that's Yamaha also They're the same casino It's gonna be awesome, bro. Like I can't wait. I'm not one who flies now But if this is available you best believe we running on that bus Everybody needs a design like your normal city buses these are yeah

Luxury buses like you see the team get on to take them to the airport, you know, these are like full-on luxury comfy ass buses

Yeah, this is this is that this is that good that good bus the charter bus with like the Wi-Fi and so it's ain't like that bus you got when you was in a when he was in the army, you know, I he was going

the

You what

Speaker 1 (01:06:22.478)
look at me

Speaker 3 (01:06:26.926)
and like you just got out of jail

the

Listen!

Speaker 1 (01:06:37.192)
They said I get third one as well, but we'll make sure

the

Yeah shut up

You guys get your ticket man. It's really a key thing. I mean like get out there support the nation be a part of it. If you guys don't want to drink and drive if you guys just want to ride to the game. This is your ticket that where else can you drink get to the games keep drinking and then short bus.

And if you don't drink, you can have fun as well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10.594)
Yeah, and if you don't, give cheap ride.

Hey, if you're like me or Will, we drink non-alcoholic beer. Yes, it's a thing. It's a thing.

Bro, tell me why the guy at 7-Eleven gave me the Heineken one and it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32.588)
the

Good

You, hey Jeff, if you haven't had it, I know you're in Boston, Samuel Adams actually has a hazy IPA one, try it, you'll be fucking, you'll be so surprised.

Two things, one, I never liked Sam Adams to begin with, so that's one, and two, I haven't had a drink in five years, so I quit drinking. So am I the only one on here that drinks though?

I think so. Maybe it might be time for you to go get a chip, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01.518)
Thank you

If by ship you mean championship I am all for it

Speaker 2 (01:08:16.101)
This isn't me asking this just to let you know that that's my kid are you at work? you home now? I was like Jeff. Why are you asking that in the chat? Like it's not me. That's my son

know what it is. So, you wanna know what we think about the receivers? I'll tell you what I think about the receivers. I think a lot of people are putting a lot of pressure on these young guys to come out there and perform and be something special and they're not gonna give them time to develop. I think that these guys can become something special but Raider Nation has a bad tendency of trying to push these guys and as soon as they're not doing as well as they thought they would,

we're calling them a bust. I'll be like, and that's the hard part. I think these rookies have time. If they have time to develop, we'll have something special. That's what it is.

All right. OK, all right. What about you, Jane? What do you think about the receivers? I'm just shit at talking.

Hot take hot take number two for the day where this will probably the last hot take of the day But this one might send some people to bed angry Donate Thornton is gonna be better than jack bitch

Speaker 2 (01:09:26.446)
I don't think that's a stretch.

I don't think that's a stretch. I'd be like, brother, all of them have physical ability.

as far as them as a core, think Jacobi Myers and yeah, Jacobi Myers is easily the heartbeat. I think it's really going to be on Thornton. If Thornton can step it up, I think we have a chance. I don't see, I don't see, I just don't see Jack Betts getting a lot of separation. I just don't not, at least not his rookie season. It's possible maybe his second year, but I just don't see him getting all kinds of separation. And I kind of think.

His play is going to get overshadowed by Brock Bowers anyways. So I mean, would say, would say it's going to, if, if we're going to do well, it's going to be because Thornton, really pulls it together. Cause I don't really have high hopes for Troy Tucker neither. So that's just, that's kind of where I'm sitting. I'm kind of in the middle. I mean, I'm not really thinking that we're great, but I'm not thinking we're horrible. I mean, think we, the opportunity, the chances there, but I just, I don't know.

I'm not sold on Jack bitch. That's who I'm not sold on. If you want my honest opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35.294)
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39.246)
When we drafted it I was like who I Wasn't like wow, you know, I said the same Yeah, when we draft I like I was with 805 at the time and then shout out to 805 Make sure y'all following to watch his shows. He does great videos But I was like, okay Thornton Thornton had to size Thornton had to speed He opened my eyes more but I go I still tick to what will says these are young guys You have to give them time, especially Thornton

Jack

Speaker 2 (01:11:08.75)
Because he comes from a program that has a bad history of receivers not developing because of the way they play in college, right? When it comes to that part, yeah. I think more when I look at our receivers, I look at Kobe and how he can get better now that he has a quarterback like Gino. I want to see with Bowers, how much Bowers is going to get even better in the Chip Kelly system with Gino at quarterback. I don't want to put too much on the young guys.

If the young guys excel, if they come out and ball, I'm gonna be all for, I'll probably be one of the dudes wearing their jersey from the get-go, know? Mayor too, see what Mayor brings back. The one I'm looking at is Tucker. What's gonna happen to Trey Tucker? This is what his third year, third year now? So what are we doing? Where is he gonna fit in? No, you need to really get more, be more aware of you're catching the ball, where you are on the field.

Not so many body catches, you how many times did he did he almost make a good catch? But he was out of bounds, right? A lot of that too can have to do with the throws that were given to him But the coordination the way they're being used I always thought that Dip shit last year was using him wrong the way they were trying to put him on the outside to me trade suckers not an outside type receiver But I mean, we'll see what that happens. I have heard that a lot bitch the tight end, right? But I mean we'll see when it comes to that like I say they are young

But to me, it's a promising young when you see what we have in them. They're hired draft picks, not walk-ons. know? Yeah. No, didn't Cooper sign with somebody? Even if he's not, no, he's still a free agent. To me, Cooper, you gotta remember, Cooper should be a lot better than what he is right now. He was our first brown pick. He was set to be one of these big time receivers. I'm not saying he's garbage.

They're young.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04.888)
But he's also not at one of those elite receivers that he should have been considering where he was drafted. To me, Cooper has hit where he's going to be.

He's on his back end now.

He's on the back end of it at that right and then you're gonna pay someone that much on his back end because we had him before you want him back You know is the Mario Cooper gonna really be that game changer that could come in here and it's gonna elevate this level I don't think a Mario Cooper is that receiver anymore. Yeah. No. Yeah Now we train for scary Terry That would be a little bit

But that's a different player.

that's a different player right. He's got a whole different skill set.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46.199)
Yeah, different skills

Magular.

Different ceiling, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

But.

dude, easy on the old shit stuff. Yeah. He's the same age as you, you little shit. Now, and this is where my thing with Cooper comes in. Cooper was with Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01.678)
Thank

Speaker 1 (01:14:05.086)
yeah! Sounds it! It's yum!

Speaker 2 (01:14:19.65)
People will argue he's the best quarterback. think Burrow is. But people will argue he's the best quarterback. And that's who he was with. Did he excel in Buffalo?

that he. No, I'll be like he made some plays but he was the same as he was with the Raiders. I'll be like he's spotty. I'll be like what does he bring to this? You know that's my question and he doesn't bring anything to be on that level to be like hey we need.

Yeah

Speaker 2 (01:14:37.325)
He got diesel.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44.333)
Right. Yeah That's why I'm not up all up above the mark who I might you mark Cooper was one of my favorites at that time I named my dog. I had a support animal puppy and I named my dog. It was either Bo or Cooper And then she was like, let's name him Cooper and I was alright cool and that was my dog like Cooper So I love I loved him when he was a raider. But yeah

100 % shoot. Hey, you want to talk about the the Raider events we got going on this weekend? Leo before.

Yes, for sure. Who do we got bro? Who do we got?

and first of all man tbh events coming up right we got the bay area chapter july the 12th bringing our boy lincoln kennedy back to san liandro and rickies so go down there baby meet our boy lincoln kennedy go down there enjoy it's time with our boy cisco and the fam and the black hole family there's going to be a lot of chapters represented

I know you'll see Radar at VIA. Are you going to be up there, Leo?

Speaker 2 (01:15:49.684)
No, I probably won't be there, but I know via was going to be there. Yeah.

Yep. Do we have the flyer, Jeff, that we could share with that? I think we uploaded that earlier. So I'll be like, can show you guys the flyer there. So make sure that you guys show up. Make sure that you guys are a part of it, And hey, right after that, oh, boy, Jeff, go ahead, man. Let them know what you got going on in the East Coast for years.

So what do mean as far as like for the pregame stuff or?

for your barbecue I think, right? You got a barbecue.

Yeah, we're doing a on Saturday the 19th of July so it's a week from this coming Saturday We're doing a this is the first time I'm gonna get to meet most of the chapter members from Where the chapter originated from which is up in chickpea mass So we're going to a house one of the members up there She opened up her house to do a meet-and-greet and like a summer barbecue for the for the chapter So she got a big in-ground pool

Speaker 2 (01:16:49.966)
She's got a boss set up the online yard. So we're gonna do a potluck cookout at her place. So James looking forward to it It's gonna be a good time

I got a small piece of Raiders news that just popped up on my phone and I don't know how legitimate it is. But I know we haven't covered it so it has to be pretty recent. Apparently there has been hinting of more potential ownership by a celebrity. Apparently there's been hinting from Mark Wahlberg about potentially owning some of the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26.254)
Solid.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42.702)
Yeah.

What you talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:17:54.158)
That's all right. What am I talking about?

Yeah, but.

That's that one bonnet Yeah, I heard about that he's even he was with Tom Tom and he talked about going to more reader games and he did Patriot games and how he painted his golf cart black

Yep. And then, you know, that's kind of where the rumors came out, kind of wild, That now, hey, all of a sudden he's going to be an owner because he's now a... They said that he might be a fan, you know, because he's Tom Brady's friend. he's been to more later...

We think fan for years Nobody wants to hear that drama, bro Uh-huh, but yeah It's crazy to me when you hear that because I always thought went once Tom Brady bought the ownership part or whatever, there's still that aspect of people that are fans of him and They will become Raider fans just because of Tom Brady And now you see Wahlberg is because Wahlberg to me was the biggest beat you it's fan, right? Yeah

Speaker 2 (01:18:58.956)
Celtics red sox Bruins, you know six red sox all that stuff, right?

that's why I'm like, bro, like I don't really, I don't see anything in that. mean like, bro, he's, he's not a guy that's going to want to buy into the Raiders in my opinion, but I'll be like, he'll do it for the money. He'll do it the money, It's a business, but yo, the last thing I'll talk about is this August the second up in Denver black out, baby. Make sure you know. Yes, sir. Make sure y'all come out, baby.

sure I had this one.

We got TBH, Denver, West Co, Cheyenne, blacking out the mile high city. Come out, get some dog, get some barbecue, join us man. Have a good time, no doubt about it. So yes, I made sure you had that one.

This one's August 2nd, right? So I see three logos. What are the three clubs there?

Speaker 1 (01:19:50.198)
Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54.03)
Denver, western Colorado, then Cheyenne.

That's the West Coast one. I was like, why is this fool put West Coast up there like you West Coast?

Yeah, I'm West Coast because it's Western Colorado we abbreviate for

I get it now. I get it. It makes sense. makes sense. I personally don't care what I think. Did you boot him off of yours?

What's that? Hell yeah. All right, good job. It's simple, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20.846)
And you guys probably don't know you don't need to but there's like other shows they just drama and There's no need to bring that to this platform. You know what I mean? He's a project fan on top of that too, so it's like so I know you mentioned the event this Saturday and he's not here but Maybe me and Jeff how our show tomorrow the the Raider connection

the

Speaker 2 (01:20:49.462)
If somebody from that club or somebody who's promoting it wants to come on tomorrow, they can come on our pod tomorrow to promote that event.

Cisco already came on the pocket promoted it Cisco will come on and you'll see him come on and off and you'll see him come on and off on this podcast as well guys so okay like I'll talk to him and see what we can do I mean like we might get

No, no, yeah, only if you want to like what we're saying me and Jeff are open up our platform for that tomorrow Anybody like I know Myra is promoting it as well So if he wants my ready to represent them, I could ask my room. wrote I was always down to come on with us Yeah But anybody who's gonna be in that Bay Area and if you don't know and I love the fact that Cisco brought back the Bay Area, aspect part of it including Ricky's

Cause to me, when I went to Oakland back in those two thousands, Ricky's was the spot. That's where we went. That's what I always look forward to. I was part of worldwide fans in black. would land, stay right there on a little cheap ass hotels right there on Heidenberger or whatever the hell, right? Go to the stadium for a little legends party. the next morning go tour the headquarters. But after that headquarters tour, we all met up at Ricky's, right?

And the legends would come with us. Balintnikov, Stabler, Phil Villepiano, who's always there, always there, right? It was just awesome to, I think, to me that opened my mind up to the whole Oakland side of the Raiders. Yeah. Do you remember there was a show these guys used to do when they used to go to certain cities, but they would dress up as the opposing fans team?

Speaker 1 (01:22:24.385)
It's coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38.134)
And the guys came. All right, James. Thank you, brother. Take care, bro. Handle later, man. With these guys, these two guys showed up dressed as charges fans and they had radar fans out there chasing them around. And then they showed up dressed in radar gear at Ricky's. No, I'll find it. I'll have to find it. I'll I'll share it with you guys in the channel. Yeah, I don't remember that. Yeah, I'll find it.

I can't feel this.

See you later brother.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08.074)
It's freaking funny Yeah, a man This is cool. I like this. I remember the prank video James what prank video I was James was there you get answer this We're prank video

Yeah, I know.

I know, I know Elon Bush gonna be at Ricky's. I know he gonna be there for sure. Yeah. Unless he thinks I'm James, I'm Jeff. Yeah. Lunatic Raider. What's up brother? Welcome, welcome little instigator.

Yeah, I you say.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43.214)
But man, this was cool. This was cool. I like this. Definitely bring it back more. can do this weekly, bring up, know, it's gonna be interesting once the season starts, you know? yeah. Start to bring some of that footage too from some of these events. Not too much, cause you know, it's adult fun out there, damn it. They call it Sin City for a reason.

Yeah.

Yeah, the line has to get edited, that's for sure. No worries.

Yeah, he remembers the prank video see maybe you can remember a lot if you remember it send it to me, bro Please I want to see it. I can't remember the one he's talking about. I'm new to this YouTube world, by the way I only started watching YouTube videos maybe two years ago

you

Speaker 2 (01:24:27.214)
Yeah, and even before then it was like I think I started when COVID hit like what is like, yeah I know there's a lot of stuff out there. Yeah Even with podcasts, don't like what you will you were sharing you were doing you've been doing the whole audio side of things for a while.

I mean, like it's just there's different streams, different abilities, but guess what guys, we're going to be on all of them now. You guys will be able to hear us on Spotify. You guys will be able to this on every single channel, just bringing you guys the news. And I'm excited, man. This is a great partnership between all, you know, I guess you can say the black hole network now. you know, we are guys, these guys that you see on your screen are presidents of all black hole chapters and

know what? We're gonna bring you guys the latest and greatest of what we're doing. I'll be like Jeff had a great show just earlier with a young man that we're looking to help fundraise for. So make sure that you lock in on him. Cheeto always got stuff going on. I'll have stuff on my channel tomorrow as well. So guys just stay locked in. Lots of information coming out. The black hole is coming out strong this year, baby. We are coming out with it.

Definitely Make sure you hit all the different channels up to out of you know Who's on here so you can stay on top of everything that's going on? You know hit my channel hit wills at Leo's Mm-hmm James doesn't have a channel yet, but we're gonna work on that with them

And guys will be posting all sorts of information on me and like we'll have like I said, itinerary when we go out to New England, if you guys want to join on certain events, we'll have things like coming out for every single game where every single TBH chapter has stuff going on. You guys are going to hear it here first on the most notorious podcast, baby.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17.504)
I told you that Thursday night when you guys get in I'm gonna I'll be up in Boston with these I'm hanging out with you guys. Wife already knows so her and I be up there Thursday.

Who knows, we might shoot a live there and then. Live from Boston!

I was thinking I Know I know I'm doing one Saturday night while we're at the party for sure I Don't know how you guys can do that I can't and the people were wanting me to go live when I was up north with y'all I Enjoy myself in the moment. I may record stuff here and there and then maybe I'll put a video to get it later

So there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50.382)
And that's what you saw what I did. I mean like I have my camera I record I do the same thing I mean like you gotta live in the moment you got to be there with the people and it's definitely gonna be excited. let's see. let's go And a sub man can't wait like gonna definitely make some legendary memories out there

Yeah, he'll be there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11.374)
Oh hell yeah man, we're gonna have a good time. I'm just not going to the $140 buffet. That's the one thing I'm not doing.

And that's the end

He's like, I already had that seafood.

and

Are you kidding?

Speaker 2 (01:27:35.678)
gonna go talk like I love it or down. We might take a walk through a hot man when I was watching that Boston Red Sox thing last night all I could think about this is gonna be like when I go see Jeff everyone's gonna sound like that. If you end up in Boston that's all you're gonna hear.

I tell you like bro, Jeff was talking to me and my wife was sitting next to me and she's like, I can hear that accent. I know where that accent's from. I was like, I was like, man, he just spoke like two words.

Right?

I love it. love it. But all right, y'all man. I appreciate y'all coming through being here with us. And we'll be back next week for another episode of the most notorious podcast. Maybe we'll have some of our other presidents on here with us on board as well. I know there's interest from some of the other guys to come on here and they can share what they're doing and stuff like that, brother. But

Do we want to change the time? Why instead of doing a 10 o'clock stop?

Speaker 2 (01:28:51.574)
Why? o'clock, Mike. I don't care. I'm just asking. didn't know.

think with all the other presidents, hard because on the West Coast after seven o'clock, we really have to look at that. So right now guys, we're doing during the season, we'll do Tuesdays and Thursdays. During the off season, we'll just do once a week on Tuesdays at 7.15 Pacific Standard Time. So guys, I'll be like, anything you guys want to listen to, anything you guys want to hear, hit us up. If you guys have anything for the black hole.

Please let us know, man. We want to make this a lot better for you guys.

Show all right, John Luke. It's out

Just win baby!

Speaker 1 (01:29:50.06)
Chutay looks westside on this bitch yellin' Raiders, huggin' cause we go with it motherfuckers like y'all suck, we don't give a fuck nigga, we go with it, jaw jackin' nigga fuck up with the quickness, parking lot scribbles, givin' nigga the business, shh, Christ, fuck you mean, we yellin' Raiders bitch, like fuck yo team, you wanna talk yo shit, get set,