Winning vs Draft Position: A Fans Dilemma/

Summary
In this episode of the Silver and Black Radio podcast, host Raider Wil and his Misfit crew discuss the disappointing performance of the Raiders in their recent game against the Falcons. The conversation delves into the team's struggles, including play calling, injuries, and the overall direction of the franchise. The crew debates the dilemma of wanting to win versus the potential benefits of securing a better draft position. They also assess the future of interim head coach AP and the need for consistency and improvement within the coaching staff. In this segment, the conversation delves into the impact of injuries on the Raiders' performance, the controversies surrounding coaching decisions, and the overall struggles of the team this season. The hosts discuss potential future coaching prospects and assess the key factors contributing to the team's difficulties. The segment concludes with predictions for upcoming games in Val's Corner. In this segment, the hosts engage in a lively discussion about upcoming NFL games, sharing their predictions and insights on team performances, injuries, and rivalries. They analyze matchups such as Texans vs. Chiefs, Steelers vs. Ravens, and the implications of injuries on team dynamics. The conversation also touches on the Cincinnati Bengals' struggles, the Atlanta Falcons' potential, and the dominance of the Philadelphia Eagles in the league. In this episode, the hosts engage in lively discussions about upcoming NFL games, sharing their predictions and insights on matchups like Arizona vs. Carolina, Minnesota vs. Seattle, and Jacksonville vs. Las Vegas. They also pay tribute to Black Hole Rob, reflecting on his impact and legacy, and discuss the Always Dreaming Foundation's efforts to raise awareness for mental health issues, emphasizing the importance of community support and connection.
Takeaways
Disappointment in the team's performance against the Falcons.
Injuries have impacted the Raiders' season significantly.
Play calling has been a major issue throughout the year.
Fans are torn between wanting to win and securing a better draft pick.
The coaching staff needs to be evaluated for effectiveness.
AP's future as head coach is uncertain but may depend on next season's performance.
The team has potential bright spots, especially on defense.
Consistency in coaching is crucial for the team's success.
Fans express frustration over the team's inability to execute plays effectively.
The Raiders need a solid plan moving forward, including a potential new quarterback.  Injuries have significantly impacted team performance.
Coaching decisions are under scrutiny, especially regarding AP.
The team needs stability and a clear direction moving forward.
Player development has been inconsistent this season.
Leadership issues are a major concern for the Raiders.
The offensive play calling has been criticized heavily.
Inconsistency in the locker room has affected team morale.
The importance of hiring the right coaching staff is emphasized.

Transcript

Raider Wil (00:01.103)
And welcome back to the Silver and Black Radio podcast. I'm your host, Raider Will. And I am here with my Misfit crew representing Raider Nation worldwide. Baby, I got my boy representing the Pacific Northwest. El Presidente of TBH Spokane, Tony both.

Tony Bova (00:29.302)
What's happening, y'all?

Raider Wil (00:32.505)
Then I got the big TX being represented by my boy, OLLEN!

Allin (00:44.526)
What's happening?

Val (00:46.863)
What's happening? Sorry.

Raider Wil (00:49.241)
We got another representative from the Big D down there representing Dallas, Fort Worth Raider Nation for Life, our girl, Val.

Val (01:03.716)
Come on, Matty B.

Raider Wil (01:03.981)
it's P-Sense. And I got my boy representing TBH Westco and the co-captain of this ship, Matty B. What up, baby?

Val (01:06.971)
Hehehehehe

Val (01:20.612)
Wubbu!

Matty B (01:20.642)
What's up fam, how's everybody night?

Raider Wil (01:23.715)
Yes, sir. And hey, today's guest, guys, is a well known member of the black hole. Anybody that knows anybody, anybody that been to a Raider game knows this man. CEO of clubs for TBH president of TBH Las Vegas. boy, the Cisco kid.

Cisco (01:53.577)
Good to see everybody.

Tony Bova (01:54.959)
Mm.

Val (01:55.515)
Welcome.

Allin (01:55.566)
Sup brother, welcome.

Matty B (01:56.513)
Yes, I heard.

Cisco (01:57.64)
Thank you.

Raider Wil (01:59.183)
Yo, and let's just get right to it guys. Yo, in segment one for today, we are going to talk Falcons Raiders game. Talk about the worst game on Monday night. Guys. Hey, I'm going to give you guys the floor. Get going to get three minutes a piece. I want you to vent your piece and leave it at that because this game was just like that. So, yo.

Cisco, you being the guest? Go ahead, brother. Hey, you got three minutes? Let me know what you thought about Monday night.

Cisco (02:38.796)
Not much to say, man. Disappointing, disappointing. Of course we had injuries, but even when we had a healthy squad, we weren't playing well. So, I mean, really you can't blame it on any injury that we've had. You know, to sum it up, the whole year, it's just been play calling. Play calling's been terrible. Execution is...

Not been there. But yeah, it was a tough one, man. It was really a tough one. You know, was Monday night football. Everybody the nation could see. You know, we were there supporting. It was, you know, a great night. They were honoring our man upstairs, the co-founder, my brother, Rob, Black Hole Rob. And I was just hoping for a win, you know.

but it didn't happen, didn't happen. just another tough one.

Raider Wil (03:44.377)
No, no, I got you brother. Yo all in that's for the game, baby

Allin (03:50.961)
Yeah man, Cisco nailed it. It's just been a rough year. I think everybody's just counting down till week 18 at this point. I think Scott... Yeah, yeah. I think Scott Turner proved he ain't the dude either. That dude's play calling Monday was absolutely trash. Go ahead and just ship him out now to North Carolina. Deuces, thanks with no thanks. I mean, by losing we're winning, right? I guess, in a sense.

Cisco (04:00.406)
We can all get our Sundays back.

Cisco (04:13.445)
you

Allin (04:20.946)
We hold on to the number one pick. The defense, man, I still got high hopes for the defense next year being healthy. They played well, the defense is playing well, even missing all the pieces they are. Jack Jones is cooked to get that dude a fucking one way ticket out of town too, cuz he is done. I mean, same story, now we lost McCormick, so hell, give the Rock the Abdullah and lobby.

Tony Bova (04:42.587)
you

Cisco (04:46.115)
Yeah.

Raider Wil (04:49.177)
Yeah, I got you. got you. Maddie B. That's.

Matty B (04:53.208)
Yeah, I mean, I was hoping we won the game. I wasn't I don't like going in there thinking we're going to lose, but. Yeah, we lost. And offense was horrible. You couldn't move the ball for fucking man to save our lives or punting units thought like, I mean, the worst punting I've seen all season. We actually made a field goal, a couple of them. That was good. And then.

The last man I thought we were gonna. Yeah, we got one block. Yeah, just the well yeah, yeah, the one in the extra point.

Allin (05:22.051)
We had one block too, didn't we?

Tony Bova (05:23.963)
We just made the one, right?

Allin (05:27.826)
Three kicks blocked.

Raider Wil (05:29.391)
Three. Three.

Matty B (05:32.659)
Yeah, and then, but yeah, I mean, kind of put it on the edge of the seat at the end of it, though. Like we almost pulled it off. That would have been sweet. But, you know, like it sucks, man. Our defense has got we got bright spots on our defense. I think would definitely. I don't know if they're going to roll with Patrick Graham next year, but I mean, got a pretty good defensive unit, so I can't wait to see.

Raider Wil (05:44.676)
it.

Matty B (06:00.46)
Wilkins and Crosby and Coons on the same squad. We didn't even get a chance to do that this year. So like Olim said, we got bright spots on the defense, offense, man, we need work everywhere. So I don't think we're just a quarterback away.

Cisco (06:09.197)
Yep.

Raider Wil (06:19.053)
No,

Cisco (06:19.862)
and healthy all sorts of lines.

Matty B (06:22.476)
man, our offensive line is just, thought we were doing pretty decent in the draft and then everything just kind of went, man, it just, yeah.

Allin (06:22.535)
Yeah.

Tony Bova (06:27.162)
you

Allin (06:28.269)
Hey, we did give those two cats their props, man. They've played really, really well, especially DJ Glaze, who was drafted as a project and stepped in and he started all year. That dude, I think he's got a bright future over there on the right side.

Matty B (06:32.638)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Matty B (06:42.323)
Mm hmm. Yeah, I don't know about Colt Miller, man. We were talking about him the other night, me and Will. like, you know, this is really his first year. He's really had it's been a down year minus his like rookie year. You know, he's gradually improved every single year and was our top lineman, you know, for how many years and then, you know, this is his first year down. you know what, it injury or is it age or is it?

Tony Bova (06:49.202)
Okay.

Allin (07:01.23)
Yeah, yeah.

Allin (07:06.401)
I think it's injury man. I think I mean maybe he is just cooked but I think it's injury.

Cisco (07:08.639)
Yeah.

Raider Wil (07:12.099)
Alright fellas, alright. Tony Bova, drop us the 411 from the Pacific Northwest.

Tony Bova (07:19.991)
It's like it's funny watching some of these games because We find so many ways to do everything wrong like I mean block execute points Penalties like it's like

It's comical. Like I've said it before, it's kind of funny how we shouldn't be this bad. it's the situa- you know, like the play calling like Cisco said, it's so many things and we're just shooting ourselves in the foot. So hopefully we can get back on track. We can get those healthy players back- or those players healthy, excuse me. Get a quarterback.

get some help on the offensive line and see where we can take this.

Raider Wil (08:16.623)
absolutely, Yo, Lady Val. I know that you was at the get, I saw the, so go ahead, tell us as you were screaming or were you not screaming anymore at the TV? So just getting used to it.

Val (08:31.009)
So I actually watched the game here at home with my dad and my mom was like, she was sick so I didn't yell at the TV but I was just kind of like, what the heck? Like kind of watching my language too. Cause my niece was also like, you know, so I don't know. Like I was getting mad and then I was like texting my friend and I was like, why take him out?

And then I was texting y'all and then my friend's like, you want them to lose. Why are you getting mad? I'm like, because it's bittersweet. You know what mean? It's like you want to win, but you know you've got to lose. And it just, it sucks. It's the suckiest feeling ever. But I'm telling you, I wanted to just like, brow-ritter through the TV.

I'd be nice, but I wanted to, you know, body slam that guy.

Raider Wil (09:31.727)
Absolutely. So y'all UA Lions. So let's be real about this y'all. We go, the Falcons come in, they literally shit the bed on offense. This team is terrible, but we can't move the football. It's I think right there, we all hit this on the head. Guys, it's a combination of things that happened in this game. Everything that could go bad did go bad.

Tony Bova (09:32.622)
All right.

Val (09:32.724)
some WWE moves.

Allin (09:46.686)
So bad.

Raider Wil (10:01.071)
Penalties And I'll be like in the last drive. How many penalties did we have guys? How many false starts did we have? You got Desmond Ritter, okay Not only being the lead quarterback, but he's the leading rusher with 28 yards for the game 28 yards

Allin (10:27.123)
Hillary.

Raider Wil (10:28.303)
quarterback not running back quarterback Okay, yeah You ain't He Bro two interceptions One touchdown. Let's be real the kid made some throws. He was throwing in some tight spots, but It's like all in said the play calling was questionable a lot of the plays if you look at them

Tony Bova (10:33.228)
That's bad for a running bag.

Tony Bova (10:38.732)
I mean, that's a full back numbers.

Raider Wil (10:58.199)
and the execution and every single part that it takes to make that play happen sucked. It was literally a special teams. One guy moving around constitute us can't block. You can't block.

Cisco (11:06.602)
Yep.

Tony Bova (11:16.268)
you

Raider Wil (11:17.903)
can't see the guy coming at you!

Allin (11:20.317)
Not a guy, but the same fucking guy.

Matty B (11:23.437)
You

Tony Bova (11:24.172)
Okay.

Raider Wil (11:25.005)
Hey, I'm not Batman, but man, I can get out there and make that block. Coach, put me in. Hey, AP.

Val (11:25.364)
Okay.

Matty B (11:30.413)
You said Ritter made some good throws, but I don't know I disagree with that. We'd like make some horrible throws in that game,

Raider Wil (11:35.275)
bro, no, he made some, he made some horrible throws. I didn't say that he made that he didn't make horrible throws. I said he made some.

Val (11:36.514)
He didn't make some good throws.

A lot of Florida, a lot of.

Matty B (11:43.222)
Like, I don't know how many times I've seen over through every receiver that was wide open.

Cisco (11:48.312)
You

Raider Wil (11:48.823)
Hey, nobody's saying that he did it. He had but here's the thing. Go ahead.

Val (11:49.164)
The whole game.

Allin (11:52.023)
I just got one question. Where the fuck is Brock Bowers and why is he not getting the goddamn football 20 times a game?

Matty B (11:52.203)
Yeah.

Raider Wil (12:03.983)
Hey, that's another question that you got, right? So let me hit you guys with this. Our leading receiver, wait, our leading receiver, five catches for 59 yards.

Allin (12:06.368)
God damn. He could have had the record.

Raider Wil (12:19.609)
Bro, this is not just like bad. It's pathetic. It's pathetic that we're literally going out there, lined up in shotgun from the one yard line and you hand off the football. If you're going to be a power run team, at least run the fucking football with your running back. Be physical at the point of attack and at least get your ass kicked there. But man, for us to go shotgun in that situation.

Tony Bova (12:30.746)
So, thank

Raider Wil (12:49.271)
really showed me that we need to

Allin (12:51.926)
Why are we surprised though? We've been doing it all year. I mean we don't go under center ever. I don't care who's calling plays. They don't go under center for whatever reason.

Raider Wil (13:02.905)
Can somebody explain that to me? When you say, hey, and I'm going to ask you guys this, what did AP say at the beginning of the year, We're to be a physical football team. We're going to run the ball. We're going to play good defense. And we're going to remedy us not having a good quarterback by doing these things and being disciplined.

Allin (13:04.947)
Nope.

Allin (13:10.901)
Yeah. Run.

Raider Wil (13:26.489)
Guys, this game proved to me that, we need to make a change and we need to address things quickly and effectively because we got guys dropping like flies. And I'm telling you right now.

Tony Bova (13:27.017)
I'm

Raider Wil (13:46.041)
Did you guys see AP's thing or his interview today or yesterday? they asked him. They said, coach, what do you think if you're going to be back? He said this is what's his response. And this is not a confident coach to me. I'm still in your contract.

Allin (13:50.295)
No.

Val (13:50.327)
Yeah, yep, yep, yep.

Val (13:56.677)
Do you think you're coming back?

Val (14:06.85)
He's on Moncom Drive.

Allin (14:07.253)
Yeah, like, I mean...

Raider Wil (14:09.935)
Well, now you're just marching time and I'm going to tell you what pissed me off the most about this fucking game, bro. When you fucking losing on the sideline and your coach is fucking laughing and having a good time, this right there is the whole fucking problem. I, bro, this is now constant thing. So are you telling me like you're just done now that you're just going to fucking laugh it off? And we have made no changes. Zero.

Allin (14:23.575)
I said that last week.

Val (14:39.374)
Maybe they didn't want to start getting tanky.

Tony Bova (14:45.569)
We don't gotta change. We don't gotta change.

Allin (14:45.665)
Bow, we just suck at everything. Yeah, we don't have to.

Raider Wil (14:47.919)
We don't have to take we don't have to take we are literally playing

Tony Bova (14:50.631)
Well, there's that big old sign.

Matty B (14:52.394)
We would find some way to fuck it up if we tried to tink. Just put it that way. That's how bad we are right now.

Tony Bova (14:57.159)
We would win, we would win. We're go out and take and then we're gonna fricking score because it's just...

Allin (14:59.19)
Yeah.

Val (15:04.932)
Allin (15:05.781)
We we almost did!

Raider Wil (15:09.761)
Okay, so let me ask you guys this, right? And we brought it up. At Cisco, I'll start with you. It's a complex situation right now being a Raiders fan. You don't want your team to lose draft position, but you don't want your team to lose.

Raider Wil (15:31.471)
What is your position on that? And how do you get? How do you see this right now? I mean, like, because I know that everybody's saying we need a quarterback. I'm not saying that we don't. But I always say. I cannot watch my team lose. I'm not here to fucking lose. So. Is this.

Cisco (15:53.685)
Well, I've said it, I said it, think on my first episode with you on Monday.

believe in tanking. I don't like saying we're tanking. I don't want to tank. It's not just tank baby. It's just win baby. And at this point, if we can win all the way out, we'll win all the way out. I don't care about the number. If we hit number one, we get number five, we get number six. It's one player. Now you're trying to tell me we got a crystal ball that if we get that number one pick, that's going to be the Raider Messiah and he's going to save everything. No.

Tony Bova (16:03.014)
Okay.

Cisco (16:32.488)
It's not going to happen. There's, there's 11 more players on the team or 10, I should say. And that's what it boils down to. It's just the team has to come together. Cohesively come together with a plan. need good coaching. need great play calling. We have the team to do it, but if we can win the rest of the week, I'm with it. I'm with it. You know, I'm walking, I'm walking in there wanting the team to win.

Tony Bova (16:33.477)
you

Cisco (17:01.747)
On the away games, I'm sitting on with my people watching the game thinking we're going to win and wanting us to win. So that's where I'm at with the whole thing. Like I said, whether we get the number one pick, number five, number 12 pick.

There's only been a few in the last 10 years that actually were eye opening or somebody to talk about. Look at our, you know, our picks. They've been terrible. There's only a few, like I said, that you can mention that people are still rocking their jersey proudly. So like you said, like we said a couple of minutes ago, if we can find a way to fuck shit up, we are. So we can get the number one pick.

And we're all going to think, it's going to be Sanders. It's going to be Hunter. It's going to be Ward. You know, my guy Dart at an Ole Miss who I want. I wind up picking a linebacker from Mississippi Valley or some shit. You know what I mean? I mean, man. mean, like, it's not just tank, baby. I don't like it. I like hearing it. I want to win. It's just win, baby. Period.

Allin (18:01.082)
We'd fuck that up too. We'll go kick her

Raider Wil (18:03.085)
Hey.

Raider Wil (18:15.631)
Gotcha. Yo, all in, your view.

Allin (18:21.708)
I mean, yeah, we've talked about this 100 times before and you know, mentality that comes with tanking, I just don't think that's brought into the facility, right? I mean, it would be nice to win, but let's be realistic. We're just, we're not better than the last three teams we play. We're definitely not better than the Chargers. You know.

We got a chance at Jackson against Jacksonville and Nola. but, w this is the other thing we've talked about in Lewis Riddick and Dan O'Loskey fucking hit it on the head, man. This team is not going anywhere until we get a quarterback. And the only way to get a quarterback is going to be draft the quarterback, whether that's like Cisco said, dart ward or, Sanders. in my opinion, those are the only three options in this draft. I don't think the others.

Matty B (18:54.606)
you

Cisco (19:11.469)
Thanks.

Allin (19:17.454)
are gonna mount to shit in my opinion. and and you worse and back are already talking about going back to college that just tells you what they think and what people think of them. That in the fucking NIL builder their offers are getting I mean I think yours is getting offered like five mil to go to Oregon next year. But this until we get the head coach quarterback combo correct man this.

Raider Wil (19:20.067)
Yeah, it's quarterback depleted.

Allin (19:46.647)
Unfortunately, it's going to continue to be the same 20 year fucking cycle. And the only way to do that is every player in the draft is a gamble, right? It's 50 50. And the only way to do it is fucking drafted and hope our our scouting department did their job.

Raider Wil (20:03.961)
No, absolutely. Maddie B.

Matty B (20:06.925)
Yeah, no, I think it's all gonna I think it's all gonna depend on telescope. Is he gonna be here? Who's gonna be the GM? No, mean, are we gonna let him go again? You know, I have to go get another GM. Do you know the whole cycle again? You know what I mean? But. Yeah. Yeah. And that.

Cisco (20:20.259)
Yeah, no, I think...

Yeah. Yeah. We can't start from scratch, keep to let's go get a, get a quality qualified head coach. you know, we'll, we talked about it again on one of my episodes, you know,

Raider Wil (20:24.591)
Gotcha.

Matty B (20:32.963)
Yeah.

Cisco (20:41.641)
It's AP wasn't qualified. he the man for the locker room? Probably so. they vouched for him, but how many, how many players vouch for coaches and they ended up, ended up turning out. mean, I could go back Raider football to Joe Bugle. The whole team was like, we got to get Joe and he didn't do crap. You know, so you get, mean, Devante picking Luke.

as offensive coordinator. What happened there? It's terrible. know, so they got to stop doing that. Let the GM, I don't care if these guys are getting paid $150 million a year. They don't make decisions. Their position is to play football. Let the people that are making the decisions with the help of the scouts and even Mark Davis, whether, you know, I don't think it's ever been

Raider Wil (21:13.689)
Yeah.

Matty B (21:15.021)
Yeah.

Allin (21:27.58)
Players play.

Cisco (21:40.288)
publicly noted that, yeah, he does make the calls. we knew that was with Al he did, but you know, it could be Al Talisco and AP making the decisions on who starts and who we draft and all that good stuff. but we definitely need to get a solid, solid coaching staff. And you know, like I was saying, we talked about it before. We have like five former head coaches on this coaching staff and we can't even get it right.

Like, are you kidding me? You know, I mean, well, again, you know, just to talk about what we talked about before that first down in Kansas City, you're trying to tell me North Turner Scott couldn't see that we crossed the one yard, the first down marker to say, no challenge that we've, we made a first down, but then yet he's going to throw the challenge flag, which was an obvious out of bounds catch. It just, it just, it's pathetic. It's pathetic. I mean,

Matty B (22:36.289)
Yeah, that was the other thing I was going to say was his miscues, man, are just they're they're horrible, man. Like there are some of the worst like things that I've ever seen on coaching staff before.

Allin (22:46.897)
Yeah, but we expected part of that.

Raider Wil (22:46.901)
We're gonna get into that. Hey, hold on fellas. We're gonna get into that in the next segment. Hold on. I gotta get Tony Bova's opinion here on that situation. Are you with the tanking? Are you with let's win if we lose, lose. What's your thought on this, Tony?

Allin (22:59.227)
on tanking.

Tony Bova (23:06.761)
I say I say win the damn game if you're on the field and hope the Giants win,

Right, right. I mean, if we win, win, you know, come with us.

Raider Wil (23:15.789)
Yeah.

Allin (23:19.353)
If that happens, go buy a fucking lottery ticket.

Cisco (23:21.354)
That's the spirit.

Raider Wil (23:22.723)
Yeah

Tony Bova (23:23.403)
It's like, with us. I mean, there was that big sign behind the goalpost that, know, that, that Just Think, you know, or the Shadoor or whatever sign. And I'm looking at it going, yeah, big as, yeah. I knew it was coming because he was selling his tickets and he says, something's in the works. And I was like, shit, he's got a big sign coming. I just knew it. As soon as I seen it, I just was like,

Val (23:23.902)
Hello.

Cisco (23:36.307)
So yeah, that's my boy Vegas Ralph had the.

Allin (23:39.751)
I said it's Vegas Ralph.

Raider Wil (23:39.887)
Ralph.

Tony Bova (23:54.35)
I can't do it. I can't do it. Like I want to win. But on the other hand, if we don't win, I'm not as mad as I am when we lose like the home opener or early in the season and other games. Like I'm not furious. If we win, we win. If we lose, I go, okay, next week. Like I just can't go. I can't see people going out there and playing a game.

at that speed with that much contact just because like they're going to go out there and play like they're going to play. don't know half-ass when they get on the field. So I can't, I just can't take that. Absolutely not. You got to play the game.

Raider Wil (24:40.973)
Gotcha brother. Lady Val, what's your thoughts on just tank or?

Val (24:49.387)
I mean I get the reason why Why we would kind of want to tank, you know, we want to get a better Draft pick at the same time. It'd be nice to get another win You know what I mean? At least put a little bit of effort into winning the game Don't make us look like we straight-up trashed because we already get like People already talk shit to us regardless, you know, I mean No, know but listen

Allin (25:14.792)
That ain't effort, Val, we just suck.

Val (25:21.005)
just play, you know what I mean? But at the same time, it's like, we want a good draft pick, and I don't know, it's kind of weird because just because you have a good pick doesn't mean Mark's gonna go for a quarterback. They might go for something else. You know, we might all be thinking, yeah, we're getting a quarterback. No, we're not. And then...

Raider Wil (25:24.271)
Yeah.

Val (25:46.732)
don't know, it's because there's other players too. These are the key players that we also need. Yes, we need a quarterback, but we also need a good defense. We need a good offense to help build around that quarterback at the same time. And then maybe not get somebody that's washed up and eats biggers like Min Choo. I don't know.

Raider Wil (26:04.207)
She washed up. She brought up washed up. All right. Yo guys, I'm gonna finish with this. All right. And then, hey, if you guys are out there and you guys subscribe or like or whatever, let us know what you guys think. But I'm gonna finish up with this in this segment, Yo.

Fuck losing. If you like losing, you are a loser. I hate losing. I like to with the yeah, I'd be like, and I get it. Look, I'm all right with us going out there and look the effort. I don't give a shit. I'm like, go out there and you fucking play your heart out. And if you get beat, you get beat.

Matty B (26:35.098)
Thanks.

Val (26:38.422)
We all hate.

Raider Wil (26:53.081)
But this whole concept of us going out there and just being like, Hey, you know what, bro? I would just pull up right here and pull up short and not give my best effort. That's just not acceptable to me. And I mean, it shouldn't be acceptable to anybody. These guys are getting paid hundreds of millions of dollars to do their job. You should be doing it at the best of your ability. Every single play, every single time that you hit that field. That's just my opinion.

Tony Bova (27:05.11)
you

Raider Wil (27:20.415)
And that's how I feel about tanking. get it. We will got to get draft position. And yes, we do got to get a quarterback. Now guys, let's go to segment two and the guys in segment two, I got two questions for everybody here, man. Segment two, we're going to start with the first question. And first question is going to be this guys is AP your guys guy going forward.

why or why not and if you got why not. Then what we'll do is give me your coach Val go ahead.

Val (27:57.931)
Okay, I just want, I wanna start off, but I don't need somebody like Alan Doug to be down. So, okay, I know y'all want.

Raider Wil (28:05.324)
Okay.

Allin (28:06.603)
Say something intelligent.

Raider Wil (28:08.154)
my gosh, here we go.

Matty B (28:09.337)
You

Allin (28:10.465)
Hahaha

Val (28:10.497)
If you ain't got nothing nice to say, don't say nothing at all. So I'm, listen, I'm a little biased, right? Because I really like AP, but here's the thing. And I'm going to defend him all day because I get it. Okay. He's, he's new and you can't say bull crap because he was already on the team, but that's a different position. It's different. Like it's, it's a whole different view, right? He's learning.

Allin (28:15.521)
Shit.

Matty B (28:17.945)
Thanks.

Val (28:39.916)
He wasn't given the proper tools when we started out this season. He really wasn't. He had to go through, now he's on his second offensive coordinator, right? So he's also making changes. He's still.

Allin (28:54.879)
Which is his fault because he made the hire.

Raider Wil (28:56.079)
Hold

Val (29:00.526)
My blood pressure is about to go up, do the roof. So, that's why I'm saying, that's why I called you out at once.

Allin (29:11.275)
I'm just saying it is his fault.

Raider Wil (29:11.939)
OK, OK, hold on, hold on. I got a response to that, too.

Val (29:14.217)
But it's, it's, but I mean, I'm just saying like, it's really not. And then we're supposed to like, play bad. I'll say play bad because this school don't like the word take. So I'll use the word play bad, right? So we supposed to play bad to get a better draft pick. But then again, it's like, I don't know, like,

Tony Bova (29:14.779)
you

Val (29:35.498)
Scott's making calls, right, but he's got North there helping him and guide him. So you can't completely blame Scott because you know, Scott's over there asking North like advice, you know what mean? Like they write their hand in hand. So it's not just one person and we have to stay consistent. I think next year we keep him, right? If he didn't learn anything from this season and there's nothing that like there's no progress there and he's still doing the same old shit, then yeah.

Kick him to the curb, sorry, it was a good run. But if he shows that there's change, you know, then he learned something. As long as he's learning something and we're moving in a good direction and we're making that progress, he should be kept around. Again, if he's just like, nope, this is the same thing as last year, obviously, you know, it's not all getting through, but I think we should keep him. We need to be consistent. We need to be consistent with our coaches, you know?

I mean, it gets tiring of this is your new, yeah, you speak down, you get what saying? I don't know if y'all do now, but.

Raider Wil (30:33.793)
OK, no, no, no, got you. Doing the same thing like Washington Brinton repeat, I got you. I got you. Yeah, OK, yo, hey, Cisco. Is AP here? For next year.

Cisco (30:49.346)
So, you know,

You know how he ended last year and we were all up on him like, hey, man, he's got this team playing for him and they played very well at the end of the stretch of the season. But this year it just has not worked out, you know. And again, you know, Alan said, you know, it was his decisions, you know, him and, but let's go. you know,

As much as I want to say, you know, continuity, consistency, we can't have this revolving door of head coaches.

I think.

Again, we're only fans, right? We don't know what's in the locker room. We don't know what's in the coaches, meetings, what's being said, what's going on. We don't, you know, but again, I'll go back to what I said. know, he hired Marvin Lewis for a reason. He's got Tom Coughlin as a consultant. They can get it right. They can get it right. You know, these guys are proven winners, you know.

Cisco (32:06.313)
They got to make it right. I don't want the revolving door coaches. So I, I'm going to say, give them one more, but the whole rest, I wouldn't say everybody, but majority of the other coaching staff needs to go. We need a new coordinator for sure. you know, hopefully Patrick will, will stick around, tighten up with some what's, you know, what are loose special teams.

Raider Wil (32:22.424)
Alright.

Cisco (32:35.411)
Coach, would need a new one, you know? Yeah, that's my take. Just keep AP, but we need to, we definitely need to change some additional assistant, or assistant coaches on the team. We have to switch, have to make a switch.

Raider Wil (32:53.529)
Gotcha. Tony Bova.

Tony Bova (32:57.333)
Man.

Matty B (33:00.702)
Okay.

Tony Bova (33:00.843)
Every reason that we give on why he's not doing and being successful or doing things that are successful. We're there when like Sissel said, when everybody was all super pro, it's APs got the locker room and all his shortcomings are still the same shortcomings. so, but I don't know how long we give them into next year, but I could see him being the coach at the start of the year.

I can also see him being the first coach fired at the start of the year. We gotta see if with a new quarterback, with a new system, is this gonna work? And if it doesn't, he's the first gone. I see that happening. But the thing is, is watch us get a quarterback just wild saying, and we win the first six games out the game.

And AP's the coach and he's doing great things. But then let's say we lose the first six games out the gate. It's it's a win now, kind of. It's a at this moment. And so if he's winning, he's great and he's the savior. And if he's losing, he's out the door. So give him, I say, a few games into next year. And if it's just not working with the proper system and even less excuses, then we give him the boot.

Raider Wil (34:27.661)
Alright, Matty B.

Cisco (34:28.701)
yeah, go ahead.

Raider Wil (34:31.503)
Go ahead.

Matty B (34:33.907)
Okay, all right, man, yeah, I'm with all you guys man I think I think we had a lot of injuries this year that you know kind of held us back as a team We didn't have a lot of depth behind those injuries So, you know kind of throwing guys in we had a lot of guys that we had to work, know, Tyree Wilson was one of them You know, he's still not getting off the ball quick enough, you know type things, you know, Basic things that these guys aren't picking up, you know

And we're throwing them in the mix to get them ready to go for the next guy that fell down. So I think that was a big problem that we had this year. I agree with Cisco, man. I think there's too many bosses in that building. When you have too many bosses, nobody has accountability because everybody's right. know. And I just I think you got I think he's got a limit down those guys. Like you said, we had 29 guys in that building. That what you said? Twenty or twenty five.

Raider Wil (35:27.663)
I'm like 29 coaches, 29 coaches.

Matty B (35:29.744)
29 coaches, 29 coaches like that's insane. Like that's crazy. That's crazy. And we still ain't getting it right. So obviously that's a problem. So we need we need to get rid of that and fix that right now. And then other things, man, like I think you should give him that other year. Like Tony said, you know, give him into next year, let him see how he rolls. Look at what happened with Dan Campbell. You know, we brought that up several times on the show. You know, Dan Campbell started out three and 13, you know, when he went.

Tony Bova (35:40.083)
Super.

Matty B (35:59.277)
and then turned around and went the following season to the playoffs. You so I mean, you you can go, you can go or miss the play. That's what I mean. But I mean, you had a problem from, from, you know, from a worst to first standpoint, technically in their standpoint, in their books, you know, so and they've just gradually progressed with him. So, I mean, if he if he if he keeps progressing the way that we hope he does, then we got the right guy.

Allin (36:03.846)
Now you missed the playoffs.

Raider Wil (36:05.837)
No, no, no, he missed it, but they made a strong.

Allin (36:08.356)
But yeah, they're...

Cisco (36:15.705)
Yeah.

Matty B (36:26.265)
But if he keeps doing these mistakes that we're seeing on the field, mean, obviously when you got a touchdown on the goal line and then you don't challenge it, you know, and then you get the challenge we had last week where it's like clear as day that he didn't catch it, you know, like just things like that, you got to correct that stuff, So, I mean, if you can't do that, then you're not the guy, but give him that extra chance, give him that little bit of, you know.

Tony Bova (36:49.33)
Alright.

Matty B (36:51.725)
That leniency and hopefully, you know, let's do it with the with the full healthy squad and see what we can get with it, because we actually played pretty good against the Chargers when we first came out and then it just kind of everything. Went crap after that, you know, and an injury started so.

Tony Bova (37:00.807)
Nice.

Raider Wil (37:06.969)
No, I got you, I got you. All in.

Allin (37:12.785)
We all know why Val wanted to go first, stealing my shit about the coordinators. That's cool. I see how you are. You're getting deleted from the fucking, you're getting deleted from the fucking group text, fucking ho. Anyways, as far as AP, man.

Raider Wil (37:15.949)
Yeah.

Val (37:20.103)
You

Raider Wil (37:24.207)
Jesus! Wow! Whoa! Whoa!

Cisco (37:26.007)
No.

Matty B (37:29.55)
That's how you really feel,

Val (37:31.572)
Hold on, hold on.

Allin (37:32.963)
As far as AP goes, Yeah. Hold on, hey, you came at me first, so you pump the brakes. Anyways, listen, AP, man, I'm conflicted, right? Like, could he be Dan Campbell? In my opinion, no, and here's why. What did AP say when he took over?

Cisco (37:36.311)
Tell us how you feel. Tell us how you feel, brother.

Raider Wil (37:36.771)
Okay.

Val (37:36.946)
My pearls, hold on. Pump, pump the brakes. Pump the brakes. Pump the brakes.

Tony Bova (37:40.185)
Get it!

Raider Wil (37:44.076)
Okay, alright, alright.

Allin (37:59.781)
You build a team around guys like Devontae and Josh Jacobs. Both those flamed out, right? I mean, and then you talk about making business decisions and we all know, I mean, we can all assume that was directed at Jack Jones, who's still on the team. Marcus Peters made business decisions last year. Same exact thing, right? We're not making tackles. We're not putting our head on the ball.

and Jack's still around. I just feel like he's gone back on a lot of what he said this year. For me, I screamed stability, right? I've been screaming that for years. And that's why the Gruden hire, was like, cool, 10 year contract. We're going to get some stability out of this deal. Mark knows that it's going to take some time to build this thing. Nobody outside of Mark Davis and fucking AP know what his contract is.

Except now that we know he's under contract next year, right? So I don't know. Has Mark got out in there? I don't know. I'd love for him to come back. but I don't think he's, I don't think he could do what Dan Campbell did. I really don't. And my big thing too, is if who are you going to hire to groom a and develop a rookie quarterback, right? Cause nobody in the building now going to do that.

Ain't nobody in the building now gonna do that. Me? If he gets canned, Ben Johnson all day long, throw the fucking money bags at him, back the fucking Brink's truck up, do not let Chicago get him, which I think they're gonna hire Kingsbury in my opinion. They're gonna pair Kingsbury with Williams and reignite that college deal. Honestly, man, as much as I'd like to see him stay, I think he's out.

Raider Wil (39:27.054)
Yeah.

Cisco (39:48.766)
So.

Raider Wil (39:55.407)
Hey, so guys, I guess I'm going to be the motherfucking bad guy right now because I'm going tell you right now. Hell to the nah. You out, baby. You out. You got 29 coaches and you can't figure it out. I'll be my grandma can be over there. She'll figure it out. She'd be over there whooping ass saying, get your shit together. I mean, you got 29.

Matty B (40:21.803)
.

Val (40:21.994)
You know what?

Raider Wil (40:23.535)
coaches. Okay, no, hold on, Val. Hold on. All right. And I'm going to tell you like this. I get what you guys said. You feel like he didn't have everything, but I'm going to say like this. I feel like he got shorted on the offensive coordinator because we did have Kingsbury, but I don't know what happened there. And then we got, we got Jack, but he made a decision to get gets. He was in there with Tolesco and I'm going to put this on to let's go to

Because Tolesco made this fucking higher as a GM, you're there. So you could say, nah, man, this guy sucks. you could... Bro, the GMs are part of the... When it comes to interviewing coaches, it's just not the head coach going like, hey, you're the guy. You're in there and you go through a process, Trust me, you go through a process and we can't sit here and say...

Allin (40:59.155)
Since when do the GMs hire the assistant coaches?

Matty B (41:06.091)
So.

Tony Bova (41:10.393)
Mm-hmm.

Allin (41:16.027)
I get it, but I would say the head coach has the final say on that deal.

Matty B (41:20.043)
But I mean, how long did it take us to actually get our GM though, Will? Like we didn't get the GM until like last week, you know what I mean?

Raider Wil (41:20.494)
It's for the money.

Wait, hey, hold on. Yeah. Hey, but this is again, bro. This is from management, right? So we fuck that up and it's like that's kind of the thing that I feel like AP got shorted on. But to say, hey, man, you got shorted on players. No, you got best player available. You got the best fucking tight end. We got our dude is the fucking dude. We got good guys in the draft. OK.

Allin (41:49.899)
For the first time since Khalil Mack, our first round pick has fucking been it.

Raider Wil (41:53.455)
Absolutely. I'm just we're stating facts here. And this is where I'm looking at it. And tell me like this, guys, when you have rookies out there, don't you want to see them progress? Don't you want to see them get better? I want you guys to tell me what position has gotten better this year. What position?

Tony Bova (42:16.495)
Tied in.

Allin (42:16.714)
I think moving powers to the center position has gotten better. think powers has been better. Well you asked so I gave you an answer.

Raider Wil (42:20.683)
Yeah, but I'd be like, yo, look at the position group. Look at the, you said a player. said position, right? So if you're talking about, yeah, like, Hey, we're talking like linemen. We're talking quarterbacks. We're talking wide receiver group. You saw one player make a move. Yeah. They moved him from position, but Hey, I still see JPJ making mistakes. I still see him.

Allin (42:29.321)
You said position, you're talking group? I thought you were talking specific, like that position on the field.

Raider Wil (42:46.711)
making the same type of mistakes that he's been making since the beginning of the season. So again, you want to see progress and you want to see players get better. I don't care that we're losing. If we're getting better, then you know that's part of the process. But it's like all in said, everybody keeps saying, wait for him to turn into Campbell and we're going to start winning next year. Fuck that shit.

Dude, you're living off hopes and dreams. You're saying, this guy might do it.

Well, I'm so tired of this. then again, we're not one player away. Yes, I know we need a quarterback or law. Everybody says it took for us to be somewhere. We have to have a quarterback. But it's like all in said, if we draft one, AP has no one on that staff and AP himself cannot develop a quarterback and he has no proven track record of doing it. And if you guys can prove me wrong.

Hey, let me know.

Allin (43:54.858)
Hey, I'll buy fucking shots, but, cause you ain't proving it.

Cisco (44:00.577)
Well, whether it's, I mean, it's been posted, whether it's, you know, again, coming from headquarters or not, but they're saying that Brady's going to have a big say in what goes on with who we're going to take as a quarterback and all that, which we'll see. We'll see what happens.

Matty B (44:21.353)
but can I say something on that too? Brady don't have a track record on any of that either.

Raider Wil (44:26.477)
Yeah, and that's the thing.

Cisco (44:26.529)
Yeah, yeah.

Matty B (44:27.625)
So I mean, we're still a hit miss with Brady, know? Like, Brady's not in the state. He's not gonna come in there and like, in my opinion, you know, like.

Allin (44:28.864)
No. But he's better.

Raider Wil (44:31.663)
Hey, so let me hit you with this. Let me hit you with this though. You're right, but it's not just Brady We got to let's go there and to let's go does have a proven track record of being an effective drafter in the first three rounds I'm gonna give the guy credit man. I mean like like you guys said glaze JPJ Yeah

Cisco (44:53.473)
That's why I said I wanted to keep him. That's why I said I wanted to keep him.

Allin (44:56.312)
Well, at what he did in Indy, too. mean, he was part of Andrew Luck. He was part of all that.

Raider Wil (45:04.815)
So he's a builder. The thing that he sucks at is hiring coaches. He can't hire a fucking coach. And guess what we need? No, no, the contracts is kind of a different thing. You have a department that does that too. So you kind of have to work with that. It's almost like the replay coach that we should have fired probably like eight weeks ago that we still have hired. I don't know what your name is, bro, but you should have been fired. Fired.

Matty B (45:10.264)
and contracts and contracts.

Allin (45:11.083)
Yeah. Yeah, but the contract's not on him either.

Tony Bova (45:12.901)
Thank

Allin (45:29.409)
You know what my other problem is with management and I'm good with the AP hire at the beginning of year, right? Cause that's what we all wanted. mean, anybody, everybody wanted it. we, nobody can really bitch about it. But here's my biggest problem with the whole deal is you had a coach like Jim Harbaugh and who wanted to coach the Las Vegas Raiders and you didn't even pick up the fucking phone. That is my problem.

Raider Wil (45:57.231)
You didn't do your due diligence.

Cisco (45:57.334)
Well, I'll say something. If I may, I want to say something on that from what I read because of his incident in Michigan. He has a clause or he had his agent put in his contract, whatever NFL team would hire him that regardless of what would come out later in the, in his time in Michigan would not affect his current role in the position of head coach for whatever team that is.

Allin (45:58.358)
with management.

Val (45:59.385)
Take out the bones.

Cisco (46:27.601)
Whether that's a hundred percent sure or not, I don't know, but I read something that said that that might've what deterred. The last old Mark Davis away from that, but I don't know, because again, all we need is another Gruden thing to pop up, right? Just like last time. So.

Allin (46:38.743)
What?

Allin (46:46.2)
Yeah, but Telesco wasn't there. So that's not on him. That's a hundred percent on Mark and whoever his team of advisors was, right? In my opinion, I'm a hundred percent okay with that. That was college. College and the pros are completely different in my opinion. And unless he's really worried about having some stuff like Gruden had in those emails hidden, which I don't think that was the case, shame on management for at least not picking up the phone and having a conversation about that.

Cisco (47:08.23)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. don't.

Allin (47:15.51)
Right? He said that Jim Harbaugh reported they didn't even reach out. He wanted the Bears and the Raiders and neither of those teams reached out. And now we're getting fucking stuck facing him twice a year.

Raider Wil (47:27.631)
Absolutely. All right, guys. So, you know, we talked about AP. Now, my second question is this for you guys. All right. What has hurt the Raiders the most this season? Is it coaching? Is it injuries? Is it no QB? Or is it just the combination of all these things that made the fine stew of us sucking? Cisco.

Cisco (47:27.784)
I agree.

Raider Wil (47:57.199)
I'll start with you, my brother.

Cisco (47:58.802)
I'll say the play calling on the offensive side of the ball. That killed us. That killed us. Terrible.

Raider Wil (48:03.971)
coaching.

Raider Wil (48:11.553)
Okay. Over.

Tony Bova (48:15.995)
100 % play calling when

you sit there and you make the play calls that you do in the situations, it does come down to execution, but you have to put them in the position to succeed and they should be able to execute. it's not the right play calling because it's not the right, I mean, it's just, it's so bad. And so I would say 100 % offensive play calling.

Allin (48:54.179)
You there, boba?

Raider Wil (48:54.626)
of a partner,

Raider Wil (49:03.055)
All right, he says 100 % offensive play calling Maddie B.

Matty B (49:07.1)
Man, I, yeah, coaching, play calling, injuries, all of it, man, it all played a part. But what hurt the most is being let down, you know, again, after having so much hype going into the season. And that's just that's what hurt the most, man. Like, I mean, but what hurt the team the most was everything, man. Like there was I don't think there's one one spot that we can say that was the worst out of the other. You know, they were they all suck. So.

Raider Wil (49:35.648)
Absolutely. No, no, You ain't lying, brother. Lady Val.

Val (49:44.029)
That was the question again.

Raider Wil (49:46.575)
So what did you think the Raiders hurt the Raiders the most this season? you think it was?

Val (49:49.943)
Val (49:55.323)
Definitely injuries and then drama, but you know, in the locker room, just inconsistency really. Inconsistency and injuries.

Cisco (50:05.869)
you

Raider Wil (50:09.741)
Okay, all in.

Cisco (50:13.772)
you

Allin (50:13.968)
Yeah, man, 100 % started with offensive play calling in my opinion. I don't think Gardner Mentsch use as bad as he played. I think this offense just sucked. I think Getzi was just shit and then injuries, right? That's gotta be the follow up and then, and then like Val said, the drama, the, you know, but I don't think so. I don't think the, I don't think that the, the, Vonte drama is there. If the offense isn't as bad as it is.

but yeah, definitely play calling. don't, I don't put, I don't put men's shoes play on a hundred percent on him. I'm not saying he's not at fault, but you don't take a guy from a top 10 offense last year who played well and had his team within a game of the playoffs to what the fuck just happened. That's some, that was, that's like some Rick Hainkeel type shit. If you remember him from the baseball.

You know, the St. Louis Cardinals, the dude was a stud pitcher and just fucking went on the mound one night and lost it. It was gone. I don't believe that was what happened with Minshew this year.

Raider Wil (51:21.007)
You know what guys, I'ma put it like this. It's bad leadership. I don't know who it is. I don't know what it is, but it's leadership. It's the guys up top, the guys making the decisions, making the wrong calls, putting the guys in the right, wrong spots and using them in the incorrect fashion. And that's where I'm going to leave it at that for what's hurting the Raiders most.

Now, guys, we're going to go into our next segment, which is Val's Corner. So, hey, yes, Bay of the let us know who was the winners for not last week. Where did I T.B. H. Reno end up?

Val (51:55.454)
What?

Val (52:05.224)
So at TVH Reno, their record was 9-7.

Raider Wil (52:10.913)
Nine and seven. OK.

Tony Bova (52:11.314)
you

Val (52:12.894)
9 and 7.

Raider Wil (52:15.545)
So does that mean I have to buy 10 shots or what? Did I beat them? Yes!

Allin (52:19.067)
Sure doesn't.

Val (52:19.646)
No, so they were right above me.

Raider Wil (52:27.584)
all right, Val, finish with it.

Val (52:32.286)
so last week, first place for the week, it was Benny 14 and two.

Matty B (52:42.299)
you

Allin (52:42.415)
Goddamn, the guy ain't never here.

Raider Wil (52:42.671)
gosh damn it. Fucking gunny. Somewhere lost in Mexico and goes 14 and 2.

Val (52:46.054)
I know exactly. And then in second place, had two time to tie. We had two tied. Sorry. Alan and Will 13 three.

Allin (53:02.225)
think all our pics were identical, were they not?

Val (53:04.831)
They were. Walnut. Yeah, they were. They were. They were.

Allin (53:09.167)
Yeah, I think they were. I'm not gonna fucking catch those two games doing that shit.

Raider Wil (53:09.316)
Yep.

Raider Wil (53:13.987)
No sir, no sir.

Allin (53:17.211)
Fuck you, Will. That was planned.

Val (53:17.328)
And then...

Val (53:22.193)
Alrighty then.

Tony Bova (53:24.113)
Okay.

Raider Wil (53:24.589)
All right, who else? What do we got? Matty B?

Val (53:27.455)
Okay, and then second place was Will 13. Wait, no, hold on. Third place. was Maddie B 11.5. And then fourth place was Bova 10.6.

Allin (53:36.787)
Nice.

Raider Wil (53:36.835)
Nice.

Raider Wil (53:42.031)
Mmm!

Allin (53:43.133)
Nice.

Val (53:44.497)
And then fifth place is Reno, nine, seven. And then of course I was last.

Tony Bova (53:50.348)
I just wanted to beat Reno.

Raider Wil (53:52.664)
I just want to beat Rita. Alright, go ahead Val. Let's run through the games, girl.

Allin (53:55.091)
Soda bow.

Val (53:59.041)
And then, yeah, so that was it. And then in the long run, things have changed up a bit. whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So, first place is still Will. 126, 126 and 66.

Raider Wil (54:08.761)
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Raider Wil (54:19.151)
$250 is mine. That's my money.

Allin (54:21.779)
250 only 150 bro

Raider Wil (54:25.132)
gosh dang it, 25.

Tony Bova (54:27.246)
I was about to say, up.

Allin (54:29.051)
Yeah, me too. was like, wait a minute, when did the pop jump?

Matty B (54:31.256)
you

Tony Bova (54:31.704)
He changed the pot when he got in first place.

Raider Wil (54:32.612)
Ha ha!

Val (54:32.66)
Yeah. The what? So second place is Alan124 and 68.

Allin (54:35.101)
Who's second place, Val?

Allin (54:41.747)
Still two behind Will.

Val (54:43.548)
Yes, third place change.

Allin (54:44.86)
Damn it.

Raider Wil (54:49.24)
Over.

Val (54:49.674)
So in third place, it's Gunny.

Raider Wil (54:54.991)
Dude, he's tearing it up right now, dude. was in two weeks. He just flipped it.

Allin (54:55.207)
Whoa, how the f- Dude, He missed a- He missed a week or half a game. How was that?

Val, I need to see your numbers. Bring that fucking binder next time I see you.

Raider Wil (55:05.675)
Yeah.

Val (55:05.716)
I don't know.

So his went up to 117 and 75.

Raider Wil (55:16.993)
I bet there's some incognito mafia shit cartel shit happening. Gunny, whatever you're doing for Mexico.

Allin (55:19.218)
Yeah.

Matty B (55:25.975)
He's the books, bro. He's playing the books.

Allin (55:26.516)
It's that fucking, it's that bromance he and Val got.

Raider Wil (55:31.843)
Jesus

Val (55:32.094)
whatever so third place is gunny and we have two people tied for fourth place and that's going to be maddie b and bova y'all both have 116 and 76

Tony Bova (55:47.505)
For now

Allin (55:49.714)
Hey, that's still a... God damn it. That's still a... Hey, that's a tight race. Me and Will could have a bad week, because I'm sure me and Will are gonna pick the same fucking games.

Matty B (55:49.751)
Thanks.

Raider Wil (55:54.263)
It... They fell.

Matty B (55:57.034)
Shit.

Raider Wil (55:58.207)
Yeah, I'm already looking.

Matty B (56:01.547)
That's only two nine games behind you guys

Raider Wil (56:04.099)
Yeah. All right, Val?

Val (56:05.249)
I'll catch up maybe one point or another and I'm in last place and we don't discuss me.

Raider Wil (56:10.871)
Alright.

Allin (56:11.004)
Yeah we do, what's your record? Put it out there.

Val (56:14.337)
$23.99

Raider Wil (56:14.831)
Dun dun dun. Hey, that's not bad. She's almost 500. She's better than the Raiders.

Allin (56:16.596)
There you go.

Yeah, that's a fact.

Matty B (56:22.327)
Man, I can low blow.

Allin (56:23.334)
Hey, she's better than ten teams in the league.

Raider Wil (56:26.529)
Yeah, she's bad. She's killing it. All right, Yo, Val, what's first game?

Tony Bova (56:31.534)
Thanks

Val (56:33.505)
So is it, it's Denver right tomorrow?

Raider Wil (56:37.583)
Denbring Chargers, yep.

Val (56:39.645)
Okay, so we've.

Raider Wil (56:41.592)
in LA.

Allin (56:43.295)
and out.

Raider Wil (56:45.743)
Sorry about that, didn't know if you knew that it was in LA.

Val (56:50.304)
yeah, yeah, sorry. Yeah, so we have.

Matty B (56:52.085)
Who won their first match here? Do you know?

Raider Wil (56:56.527)
So remember.

Matty B (56:56.809)
Thank you.

Allin (56:58.569)
Have they played yet?

Matty B (57:00.831)
They might not have. no, I don't think they have. I don't know if they have, I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know, I don't fucking know. I don't even fucking like those teams.

Raider Wil (57:04.111)
I don't know.

Val (57:04.449)
on.

Tony Bova (57:06.891)
.

Raider Wil (57:08.867)
Yeah. All right. Well, let's just pick them. Like, hey, cares? Cisco, since you're the guest, who do you got, bro? Chargers Broncos.

Tony Bova (57:09.781)
Chargers.

Allin (57:13.333)
Cisco's up first.

Matty B (57:13.333)
Thank

Cisco (57:20.6)
I give a shit, but I'm have to go with the chargers.

Raider Wil (57:25.496)
Chargers at home. Bova.

Val (57:28.777)
Hold on, hold on. All right, Boba. Boba, you got?

Tony Bova (57:29.557)
Chargers all day, I'll never root for the Broncos.

Raider Wil (57:31.097)
heard on the above.

Tony Bova (57:34.741)
Chargers.

Chargers.

Raider Wil (57:41.999)
chargers.

Val (57:45.664)
Maddie B, who you got?

Matty B (57:48.981)
Fuck man, every time I pick one of them they fucking lose.

Allin (57:54.975)
Yeah, like the Charger's getting fucking banged by fucking five touchdowns.

Matty B (57:57.263)
Yeah. Give me Denver. Give me Denver. They're going to fucking lose. Give me Fuck. Fuck. I hate that team.

Val (58:08.098)
Do you hear him? Denver Broncos?

Matty B (58:13.361)
Hahaha

Allin (58:14.335)
Their vows didn't get us cancelled again.

Raider Wil (58:16.364)
again.

Val (58:17.02)
No, I didn't. I didn't say anything bad. I just slipped the finger. Where you going?

Allin (58:20.565)
Who you got, Will?

Raider Wil (58:20.911)
Yo, I'm gonna tell you like this. I got the chargers after them getting their ass whooped this week I'm gonna tell you like this Jim Harbog is gonna go in there probably cut some dudes out and he's gonna be like, yo, we're gonna get it back together So I got the chargers

Val (58:38.86)
Okay, Alan.

Allin (58:38.866)
I agree he's gonna fuckin' pull his khakis up and get to work. Give me the chargers too. They got-

Raider Wil (58:42.595)
Yeah. He got worked, bro. He got disrespected. He got whooped.

Matty B (58:45.781)
Dude, can I change my-

Let me change my shit to Los Angeles. I'm sorry. Let me change my shit to Los Angeles. Fuck that. Fuck that. it ain't too late.

Allin (58:49.878)
Straight up.

Tony Bova (58:55.411)
Too late!

Raider Wil (58:59.0)
All right.

Allin (59:00.64)
Who you got, Val?

Val (59:00.982)
I'm gonna have to go find Whiteout now, bud.

Matty B (59:04.7)
UGH!

Raider Wil (59:06.543)
What do you got, pal?

Val (59:06.798)
Hold on, I think I have the chargers too.

Raider Wil (59:16.047)
All right.

Val (59:16.321)
Yeah. Yeah, I got the Chargers too. Okay, so next game. Cleveland, Cincinnati. Yep. Yep.

Allin (59:24.832)
Saturday games this weekend.

Raider Wil (59:27.311)
Cleveland at Cincinnati.

Matty B (59:29.449)
That's another game

Allin (59:29.79)
Is that a sat- Is that a saturday game? Or are we going on-

Val (59:33.603)
I'm going out of order. I'm sorry.

Tony Bova (59:34.968)
Saturday

Raider Wil (59:37.963)
It's Texans Chiefs. I'll just go down the list. Texans Chiefs?

Val (59:41.835)
Okay, sorry, types of cheaps.

Allin (59:43.602)
that's...

Raider Wil (59:46.777)
What do you want to go first now?

Val (59:48.809)
So I've got, I've got Houston. I'm choosing. go ahead, Cisco. I'm sorry.

Allin (59:49.92)
Cisco.

Cisco (59:54.878)
Nah, that's fine.

Cisco (01:00:00.025)
I hate them, I'm gonna go with Houston.

Allin (01:00:05.729)
That's in Houston, right Will?

Val (01:00:08.055)
Mm-hmm. No, it can't, yeah.

Raider Wil (01:00:08.175)
It is in Kansas City.

Cisco (01:00:11.724)
fuck.

Yeah, I'm gonna still stick with Houston.

Val (01:00:20.749)
Good job.

Matty B (01:00:24.435)
She don't have any white out.

Allin (01:00:26.999)
A. And the injury report is bullshit on that. There should be some shit investigated into that because if we did what the fucking chiefs are doing, we'd be fucking fined. Where I've seen the reports that Mahomes is going to be out a couple weeks, but they're listing him as a full participant like...

Val (01:00:28.323)
I don't have one out.

Raider Wil (01:00:45.679)
Bro, that's some patriot shit. That's some patriot shit.

Val (01:00:47.201)
I was made by a week.

Allin (01:00:47.637)
Yeah. Yeah, we'd lose draft picks, get suspended, fuckin' fine.

Raider Wil (01:00:53.743)
Baddie B, who do you got?

Matty B (01:00:56.253)
I got Houston, think, fucking their kicker's fucked up and I think my home's gonna break his ankle in this game. Don't finish it off.

Raider Wil (01:01:03.993)
Jesus, call in. me? You know what? I'm going tell you like this. Texans is for real, man. That defense is for real. And if Patty Mahomes is a little bit hurt, I'll tell you like this, bro. That that dude is about to get ate up by this D. So, yeah, I got Texans.

Val (01:01:04.611)
All right, Will, who you got? Will, yes.

Allin (01:01:04.683)
Goddamn Jesus

Matty B (01:01:21.949)
get all the way hurt.

Val (01:01:23.693)
Okay, Alan, who you got?

Cisco (01:01:24.486)
Yeah.

Allin (01:01:27.059)
Yeah, Demyka Ryan has just got that defense plan. Well, I'm gonna grow Houston, too.

Val (01:01:35.429)
Okay. All right, next game.

Raider Wil (01:01:39.599)
Steelers Ravens.

Val (01:01:41.861)
Steelers and Ravens, I've got Baltimore. Cisco, who you got?

Allin (01:01:43.052)
No, that's not the next one. The next one's Dallas, ain't it? Saturday night?

Raider Wil (01:01:48.591)
It says here. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's Steelers Ravens Saturday night. 2 30 p.m. game.

Val (01:01:49.165)
Whose corner is this? This is my corner.

Allin (01:01:55.816)
nice.

Val (01:01:59.449)
Cisco WGAT.

Cisco (01:02:01.809)
NNNN

Cisco (01:02:05.765)
Baltimore just lost, right?

Allin (01:02:09.237)
No, the Steelers lost to Philly. Baltimore won, I believe.

Raider Wil (01:02:09.487)
Steelers lost and let me see here Baltimore 135 14

Val (01:02:11.589)
The still is dead, babe.

Cisco (01:02:17.239)
huh. Yeah, where is it?

Allin (01:02:18.37)
Where is that game?

Val (01:02:20.724)
tomorrow.

Raider Wil (01:02:21.624)
in Baltimore.

Cisco (01:02:22.891)
I'm gonna go Baltimore.

Val (01:02:28.816)
Let it be who you got.

Matty B (01:02:30.904)
going Baltimore in that game too, man. think something going on. They bench Russell Wilson, didn't they? For, build, I believe. Yeah. I thought they put in rather builds.

Allin (01:02:38.009)
I don't think so.

Raider Wil (01:02:39.023)
Pittsburgh? No, not for Pittsburgh.

Allin (01:02:44.419)
They've been doing that all year. Field just come in and played a handful of snaps every game.

Matty B (01:02:48.908)
Mm, all right, well, Baltimore. I think we got more on the line there now.

Val (01:02:51.43)
Well, who you got?

Raider Wil (01:02:55.161)
Man.

I'm gonna take Baltimore because it's in Baltimore. Even though I feel Pittsburgh. What bro? Pittsburgh? I still, you can go Pittsburgh.

Allin (01:03:00.931)
Damn it will.

Allin (01:03:04.823)
I was hoping you were gonna go Pittsburgh.

Val (01:03:04.994)
No, he's saying, damn it, because he wants you to lose one so he can win one. So I'm assuming, Allen, you're choosing Baltimore.

Raider Wil (01:03:11.872)
shit.

Allin (01:03:16.227)
Yeah, I don't think I don't think the Pittsburgh offense can keep up with Baltimore's offense if it comes down to a shootout.

Val (01:03:24.016)
Good insight.

Allin (01:03:28.332)
And then I say that and they're going to go hang fucking 40 like they did against Cincinnati.

Raider Wil (01:03:32.685)
Yeah, fuck. I just started lagging.

Allin (01:03:35.962)
Mm-hmm.

Val (01:03:36.142)
Is there any other Saturday games or is it just those? Okay, Cleveland at Cincinnati.

Matty B (01:03:39.205)
Yes, those two.

Raider Wil (01:03:39.289)
That's it. Then we got a

Raider Wil (01:03:45.421)
England at Cincinnati.

Cisco (01:03:47.247)
I got, I got since he got the bangles.

Val (01:03:48.4)
Cisco, you guys didn't see?

Val (01:03:55.368)
Okay, hold on.

I want to who you got.

Allin (01:04:00.506)
Yeah, I'm gonna go see and see. They're putting it together. They're playing good football.

Val (01:04:13.179)
You said, since you're right. All right, well.

Allin (01:04:14.862)
Yes ma'am.

Raider Wil (01:04:15.149)
Mm-hmm.

Raider Wil (01:04:19.181)
Man, how about tell you like this? It's going to be Cincinnati mad because fucking the bangles are straight kaka and $200 million going to Sean Watson. What a mistake, baby. What a mistake.

Allin (01:04:33.582)
who they're bringing back next year. They already come out and said it.

Matty B (01:04:36.305)
You can't afford to fucking get your out of

Raider Wil (01:04:36.733)
Val (01:04:38.405)
Wait, so you said-

Allin (01:04:38.938)
They don't, well they don't really have a choice. They don't have Denver Broncos owner money like they did with Russ, right? So they can't just eat 200 plus million dollars.

Raider Wil (01:04:43.289)
There, doom.

Raider Wil (01:04:49.805)
Yep, no, I gotcha.

Val (01:04:52.42)
Will, what did you say?

Raider Wil (01:04:54.893)
angles.

Val (01:04:59.609)
Maddie B who you got?

Matty B (01:05:01.89)
I got the bangles man when you bench fucking James Winston and put in fucking the other dude fucking they suck You sensey? Yeah, they think I'm gonna put into Noria Thomas or whatever his name is Thomas

Allin (01:05:09.029)
They been shameless?

Raider Wil (01:05:09.145)
Bro... Yeah, dude, he's... he...

The third. Yeah, I

Allin (01:05:15.897)
Hey, that dude played well last year. He can't hate on that dude too much. He played well.

Raider Wil (01:05:18.627)
No, no, he's effective, but I'm just saying, I'm like...

Matty B (01:05:18.837)
No, but I'm pretty sure it like the first or second drive he came in and threw an interception right after they just benched fucking Game is my favorite so I keep interceptions. So I just don't think they got it. So since II

Raider Wil (01:05:27.097)
Jameis Winston for throwing two interceptions.

Val (01:05:35.209)
Okay. And then Giants at Atlanta.

Raider Wil (01:05:43.279)
I'm call this one the shit fucking toilet bowl and I'm gonna say hey shit show Joe. What do you think man? Fuck those guys Yeah, I'll take the Falcons cuz yeah the giant suck good job shit show Joe

Allin (01:05:43.643)
God damn.

Val (01:05:51.92)
In your face. Let's go team.

Cisco (01:06:02.454)
Yes.

Val (01:06:05.362)
So you're going to take Atlanta.

Raider Wil (01:06:07.236)
Yep.

Val (01:06:08.968)
Cisco.

Cisco (01:06:10.54)
Same thing, taking those filthy pigeons.

Matty B (01:06:14.785)
Mm-hmm.

Raider Wil (01:06:16.463)
Gosh man, they are trash. I was talking shit to my son, don't need to get shit talked to me at the end of the game.

Val (01:06:26.256)
Okay, then we got Alan.

Allin (01:06:29.371)
Hey, yeah, Michael Pinnix is gonna come in and show everybody what we fucking missed out on. I think he's gonna fall out Sunday and Atlanta is getting the dub.

Val (01:06:42.546)
Okay. Maddie B.

Raider Wil (01:06:42.873)
What could have been? What could have been?

Matty B (01:06:46.601)
I think it's gonna be it. I'm going with Atlanta, but I don't think Panic's gonna come out all like that. I think they're gonna still look the same. They'll get like 13 points or something like that.

Allin (01:06:46.638)
I'm happy with Bowers though.

Val (01:07:01.064)
Okay, and New England at Buffalo. So let's go with that. he's not there. New England at Buffalo.

Cisco (01:07:06.987)
Over and in.

Cisco (01:07:13.621)
Wait, who's that, Buffalo?

Raider Wil (01:07:15.512)
New England.

Val (01:07:15.913)
New England.

Cisco (01:07:17.207)
yeah, Buffalo all the way.

Raider Wil (01:07:21.167)
See ya.

Allin (01:07:21.776)
Now you could probably just go ahead and mark us all for that one.

Raider Wil (01:07:24.279)
Yeah, just mark me up for Buffalo. Yup. Buffalo.

Cisco (01:07:24.427)
Eh.

Matty B (01:07:24.595)
Yeah, I ain't got no New England on that one.

Val (01:07:24.902)
Okay.

Allin (01:07:29.473)
Ayy, just pencil Tony and fucking Gunnian for that one too.

Val (01:07:34.045)
Gay, you never know, they've been choosing opposites. All right, Detroit at Chicago.

Cisco (01:07:40.971)
Lions, Detroit Rock City.

Allin (01:07:41.008)
That's another one you can pencil everybody in.

Matty B (01:07:42.877)
Yeah.

Raider Wil (01:07:44.345)
Detroit.

Yeah, Detroit.

Allin (01:07:47.867)
Yep.

Raider Wil (01:07:50.487)
Pencil this in.

Val (01:07:51.219)
What on here?

Val (01:07:59.013)
Okay, so the next one is...

Tennessee at coal.

Cisco (01:08:07.467)
Yep.

Val (01:08:10.249)
Okay. Maddie B.

Matty B (01:08:16.221)
You know what? Give me Tennessee in that game.

Allin (01:08:19.206)
That's at Tennessee.

Val (01:08:21.202)
No.

Raider Wil (01:08:21.741)
No, that's at Indianapolis.

Allin (01:08:22.439)
at Indy.

Matty B (01:08:24.081)
Yeah, give me Tennessee. They're gonna come in and up settle. That's division.

Raider Wil (01:08:29.675)
Hey, there we go. Good enough. Yeah, bro, they are done with that experience trash by Suda. I don't know. I don't know. I can't tell you that. Hold on. I got a Colts.

Allin (01:08:30.833)
Did Will- Did Will let us get benched?

Allin (01:08:37.127)
For who?

Val (01:08:37.927)
Alan, Alan, who you got?

Allin (01:08:44.221)
Who'd you pick, Will? Colts? Yeah, same. God damn it, I'm never gonna make up two games. This sucks.

Matty B (01:08:52.248)
Making them up right now.

Raider Wil (01:08:53.903)
S I

Val (01:08:55.851)
All right,

Cisco (01:09:03.85)
New York Chets, fuck. Chets just won and they're probably thinking they're all that and a fucking bag of chips. Yeah.

Raider Wil (01:09:12.057)
Yep.

Val (01:09:13.747)
choose around.

Allin (01:09:15.493)
And Devontae had his best game of the year and Aaron did.

Matty B (01:09:18.512)
Dude, they played the jazz, bro. They played the jazz. It's like no wonder Devontae had a great season. Every team he played before that, he couldn't get off the line, couldn't catch a ball, nothing, dude. It's like playing the Raiders, bro. Like playing the Raiders right now.

Cisco (01:09:18.996)
exactly.

Allin (01:09:21.095)
Doesn't matter, he's still... and...

Raider Wil (01:09:21.116)
Ha!

Val (01:09:22.564)
hahahahah

Cisco (01:09:31.37)
Yeah, I'm going with the lamb.

Allin (01:09:31.549)
Okay, let's see what our, okay, well let's see what, okay, let's see what our receivers then do, right? So, fucking Myers should go for 200 this week.

Matty B (01:09:39.916)
Right? Right? We should! It's the theory!

Raider Wil (01:09:42.307)
Hey, we'll see. We'll see.

Val (01:09:42.698)
Okay.

Allin (01:09:43.321)
It's all, they're still a fucking NFL and that defense isn't terrible for the Jags. It's their offense. It's a problem.

Matty B (01:09:50.394)
right?

Val (01:09:52.01)
So, Cisco who you got? Okay. Okay, well.

Cisco (01:09:53.234)
on rams.

Matty B (01:09:56.432)
Yeah, I got the Rams too.

Raider Wil (01:10:00.067)
Rams.

Val (01:10:02.94)
Alan.

Allin (01:10:04.583)
Yeah, the Rams, think they're gonna, I think at the end of the regular season, I think the Rams might put themselves up there with Detroit and Philadelphia.

Raider Wil (01:10:08.127)
I thought you were going to go judge trying to make up that game.

Matty B (01:10:10.658)
Yeah.

Raider Wil (01:10:22.217)
Ooh, I can see that. I can see that they're getting healthier.

Cisco (01:10:22.81)
Mmm.

Allin (01:10:25.983)
Yeah, that's gonna be a team. That's gonna be a team nobody wants to see them.

Raider Wil (01:10:27.791)
We're getting out of

Cisco (01:10:27.976)
You know what? Philadelphia's got a good record, but Philly's got a good record. But they only played like two teams over 500 so far, right? Or three?

Val (01:10:28.008)
All right, next one.

Raider Wil (01:10:40.591)
Really? Let's see.

Cisco (01:10:42.214)
Yeah, they haven't really played anybody.

Allin (01:10:43.837)
Yeah, but they... Yeah, but they bitch slapped fucking Baltimore two weeks ago in Baltimore.

Cisco (01:10:49.042)
Well, that was one of the one or two or two or three games of playing the team over 500.

Allin (01:10:56.753)
Yeah, and they destroyed them, so let's...

Cisco (01:10:59.078)
Yeah, yeah, we'll see. They might be for real.

Allin (01:11:03.401)
The game I want to see is Detroit and Philly.

Cisco (01:11:05.852)
Mm-hmm.

Raider Wil (01:11:06.447)
Ooooo

Yo, so where are we at now?

Val (01:11:11.499)
Philly at Washington.

Allin (01:11:14.015)
Ooooo

Cisco (01:11:14.696)
You should have Philly all day. What? I got Philly.

Val (01:11:17.407)
Who said that?

Raider Wil (01:11:17.565)
okay. guys, ooh! Here we go, here we go. I got Philly too, I got Philly. I got Philly, I took this one. Game of the week, let's go!

Val (01:11:23.371)
Okay, you're welcome.

Allin (01:11:25.193)
That might be the game of the weekend.

Cisco (01:11:27.72)
you

Val (01:11:27.883)
Alright, Cisco, you chose Billy.

Cisco (01:11:30.568)
I got Philly.

Val (01:11:32.159)
Okay, hold on. Maddie B, who you got?

Matty B (01:11:36.804)
Mmmmm

Val (01:11:40.747)
I'm choosing Washington.

Raider Wil (01:11:44.184)
There you go, man. I got Philly. I got Philly. Hell nah!

Matty B (01:11:45.984)
I think it's gonna be a shootout, but I think Washington plays it.

Allin (01:11:46.239)
How many games has Philly won in a row, Will?

Raider Wil (01:11:54.639)
I don't know. I'm I'm not. I'm not. I'll be like, it looks like one, two, three, four. I'll be like. Five, six, seven, eight.

Allin (01:11:57.853)
I didn't know if you had their deal pulled up still.

Val (01:12:01.483)
are you picking?

Allin (01:12:06.249)
Sometimes, man.

Cisco (01:12:07.751)
We only have two.

Matty B (01:12:07.945)
I'm telling you, Washington's gonna win that.

Allin (01:12:10.057)
Something's telling me that kid, Jaden Daniels, is about to put the division on notice.

Val (01:12:16.334)
Allen?

Raider Wil (01:12:17.955)
You got nine in a row, Nine in a row.

Matty B (01:12:17.985)
That one is.

Allin (01:12:18.429)
You said that they won eight, nine in a row?

Allin (01:12:23.901)
Yeah, me Washington. I just feel like they might. That boy, yeah, that boy Jaden. That boy Jaden is.

Cisco (01:12:28.667)
Ooh, that might be your one game. That might be that one game.

Raider Wil (01:12:31.052)
there's one again. No, don't talk to me about that, dude. Right now. I'm telling you right now, Billy's defense is going to shut that down.

Val (01:12:40.439)
not gonna do right now.

Allin (01:12:44.115)
They might. They might. Or Jayden might just do what he did against the Bears and throw a fucking last second fucking Hail Mary.

Raider Wil (01:12:50.707)
gosh, you ain't lying. You ain't lying. Go ahead sis.

Val (01:12:54.635)
Next one. All right, we got Arizona at Carolina.

Cisco (01:12:59.36)
fuck.

Raider Wil (01:13:00.441)
Wow.

Cisco (01:13:02.321)
That's a toss up.

Val (01:13:04.749)
Come on Cisco, you got it.

Cisco (01:13:06.183)
Where, where, where is it at? At?

Raider Wil (01:13:09.145)
Carolina.

Val (01:13:09.462)
Carolina.

Cisco (01:13:10.961)
Carolina?

Val (01:13:12.706)
Yeah.

Cisco (01:13:15.495)
I'll go with the home team. I'll go with the home team.

Val (01:13:22.187)
Carolina?

Raider Wil (01:13:23.449)
Yeah, he's gonna take Carolina.

Cisco (01:13:25.806)
Yeah.

Val (01:13:27.723)
Maddie B?

Matty B (01:13:31.305)
Yeah, I'll take Carolina to in that game.

Raider Wil (01:13:33.783)
Hell man, everybody's jumping on the Carolina bandwagon now. Watch out, Bryce.

Matty B (01:13:37.695)
They're pretty... They play hard, man. Any day of the Sunday with that thing.

Val (01:13:38.381)
Wow.

Val (01:13:42.177)
So, okay, so Alan, who you got?

Allin (01:13:46.241)
last weekend, Carolina was not the underdog for the first time in like, I don't know, three years. I picked them to beat the goddamn Cowboys and they let me down. So fuck them. Give me Arizona.

Cisco (01:13:51.076)
Thank you.

Val (01:14:00.5)
Right.

Raider Wil (01:14:01.575)
Hey, I'm in the same boat. I'm in the same boat. I trusted them and they let me down, man. They let me down. It's like when you're in abusive relationship, you don't go back. So hell nah, man. I'm going with Arizona.

Allin (01:14:03.051)
That was some bullshit, man. I thought they were gonna get that.

Matty B (01:14:03.199)
I I can't, I can't compute for other reasons.

Val (01:14:06.176)
Well...

Allin (01:14:08.918)
Yeah.

Allin (01:14:13.631)
Yeah.

Allin (01:14:17.345)
I

Val (01:14:20.534)
Alright, Minnesota at Seattle.

Cisco (01:14:24.694)
minute the Viking

Raider Wil (01:14:25.037)
Minnesota.

Allin (01:14:25.55)
man. That's a good, hey that could be a good game right there with Philly and Washington though.

Val (01:14:33.568)
Yes.

Cisco (01:14:34.114)
You know, nah, I don't believe it.

Raider Wil (01:14:35.981)
No, I had you bro. And you know, sir. No, bro.

Allin (01:14:39.237)
is he out?

Raider Wil (01:14:41.743)
I don't know if he's gonna play, but I saw like if he's gimping from last week. Nah,

Allin (01:14:47.372)
I give a Seattle's defense is playing well.

Val (01:14:47.941)
My being with that.

Matty B (01:14:50.345)
Who is it?

Val (01:14:53.068)
Minnesota, Seattle.

Raider Wil (01:14:53.359)
See you, Hawks.

Cisco (01:14:53.508)
Viking to Seattle.

Allin (01:14:53.685)
Seattle, Minnesota.

Matty B (01:14:54.375)
Yeah, I want this. Give me Minnesota on that game.

Val (01:14:57.836)
Okay, just go who you got.

Cisco (01:15:00.932)
The Iron Senate Vikings.

Val (01:15:03.539)
I'm sorry. My bad.

Cisco (01:15:04.643)
That's alright. Nah, it's not good.

Raider Wil (01:15:05.895)
Ha

Raider Wil (01:15:09.613)
that it's all that blonde in your hair

Val (01:15:11.893)
Mother.

Allin (01:15:17.064)
fuck, here we go. You just fucking turned the left wheel. Next game, Val!

Matty B (01:15:19.482)
man.

Val (01:15:22.296)
So first of all, I'm half deaf and all y'all be talking at the same time.

Cisco (01:15:24.833)
Ha ha!

Raider Wil (01:15:30.639)
You

Val (01:15:31.448)
Ellen, who you got, Minnesota or Seattle?

Well, I'm sorry I didn't recognize your voice.

Allin (01:15:39.778)
clean the mirrors, I'll send you some q-tips.

Cisco (01:15:44.297)
Val (01:15:44.461)
I'm half dead, motherfucker.

Raider Wil (01:15:47.759)
True. Facts. That's why she can sit next to people that scream during the game.

Allin (01:15:49.25)
No comment.

Val (01:15:52.363)
Listen, it was not my fault.

Raider Wil (01:15:56.879)
Alright.

Val (01:15:58.211)
Jacksonville at Las Vegas and I'm just going to flat out say it. I'm picking Jacksonville.

Raider Wil (01:16:04.92)
WAAAA

Allin (01:16:07.841)
you're jumping on my bandwagon.

Raider Wil (01:16:10.839)
What you you're going Jacksonville

Val (01:16:13.572)
Yep.

Allin (01:16:14.496)
Did I pick the Raiders since?

Raider Wil (01:16:17.411)
since 1976.

Allin (01:16:18.784)
The, the, yeah, that, hey, that's part of the reason I'm keeping pace is cause the weeks you, I've picked the first Kansas City game, this year is the first time I've picked against the Raiders.

Val (01:16:19.309)
Hahaha!

Matty B (01:16:21.022)
Hahaha

Val (01:16:34.063)
So, so will you pick an Alan?

Allin (01:16:36.46)
Jaxville until the Raiders can win a fucking game and prove me wrong

Val (01:16:40.899)
I bet you this is a game.

Well, who you got?

Allin (01:16:46.263)
We're stupid if we do win that game though, I mean...

Raider Wil (01:16:50.383)
It doesn't change anything. mean, like it just puts us at 311. We're still one of the worst teams. We're still going to get a drop in traffic.

Allin (01:16:55.811)
It also puts us from 1 to 8.

Raider Wil (01:16:59.865)
Does it change it to 8?

Allin (01:17:01.75)
It'll put us in the bottom five, yes.

Raider Wil (01:17:04.431)
But I'ma tell you like this, I'm taking the Raiders, baby. I feel it this week. I don't know what it is. I'm feeling that weird, tingly feeling in the bones that we might just pull this one off because the Jags are that bad, just like us.

Allin (01:17:23.368)
Mac Jones will probably push our shit in.

Val (01:17:23.404)
Maddie be who you got.

Raider Wil (01:17:29.807)
trying to get a sex communicator.

Allin (01:17:32.801)
I didn't say anything bad.

Val (01:17:36.174)
Warning!

Raider Wil (01:17:39.833)
Go ahead. Go ahead. ahead. Maddie. Maddie B.

Allin (01:17:43.107)
There were no homophobic slurs.

Matty B (01:17:45.973)
I got Vegas all day, baby, all day.

Raider Wil (01:17:47.855)
You got you got Vegas Cisco.

Matty B (01:17:49.795)
All day. All day.

Cisco (01:17:52.0)
Because it's going to be my birthday weekend, I'm going with my way.

Raider Wil (01:17:56.969)
Let's go!

Matty B (01:17:58.469)
Yes, sir. Yes, sir, happy birthday.

Allin (01:17:58.923)
Happy birthday early brother.

Raider Wil (01:18:00.909)
Yeah, that's Day.

Val (01:18:01.198)
Yeah, happy early birthday. All right. The...

Cisco (01:18:01.46)
Thank you.

Val (01:18:09.84)
famous Niners at Miami.

Cisco (01:18:14.688)
Who's that Miami?

Raider Wil (01:18:15.951)
The super famous Niners Frisco.

Allin (01:18:16.675)
Frisco.

Cisco (01:18:19.215)
fuck. At Miami? Alright, I'm going fish all day. Fuck the Niners.

Val (01:18:29.079)
All of Bay.

Cisco (01:18:30.929)
All day.

Allin (01:18:35.502)
Wow, you still just said it.

Val (01:18:38.33)
did not say anything, I was in sign language.

Raider Wil (01:18:39.983)
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

Allin (01:18:42.894)
God damn it. Here we go.

Val (01:18:48.459)
Go Alan. Okay.

Allin (01:18:48.706)
Give me Miami.

Val (01:18:54.289)
Maddie B, this is your fault. Maddie B, who you got?

Raider Wil (01:18:56.59)
the dead.

Matty B (01:18:57.786)
Here you go, M.I.A.

Raider Wil (01:18:59.383)
Miami, Miami as well here.

Val (01:19:02.673)
I like, wait.

Val (01:19:07.899)
Don't say anything, Alan.

Tampa Bay at Dallas. I already know Maddie B's choosing Tampa Bay.

Matty B (01:19:17.444)
TB.

Raider Wil (01:19:17.667)
Tampa Bay.

Cisco (01:19:19.646)
Yeah, I'm going to Tampa.

Raider Wil (01:19:20.729)
Tampa Bay.

Val (01:19:22.981)
Cisco Who's That?

Raider Wil (01:19:26.159)
I think everybody's gonna go clean sweep tempo on this one, I think. Yeah.

Val (01:19:26.32)
Alan.

Allin (01:19:29.06)
Tampa.

Cisco (01:19:29.714)
Yep, Tampa.

Val (01:19:32.677)
Alright, and then we have Nola agreement.

Cisco (01:19:38.568)
Green Bay.

Allin (01:19:39.14)
Is that the Sunday Night Game?

Matty B (01:19:40.09)
See you in bed. See in bed.

Raider Wil (01:19:40.973)
Yep, Green Bay. Green Bay. Go grab asses.

Allin (01:19:46.154)
That's a Monday night game this week,

Raider Wil (01:19:48.431)
Yeah.

Matty B (01:19:50.778)
TVG's. I can't tell you what that means or we get in trouble,

Raider Wil (01:19:52.182)
Yeah.

Val (01:19:57.531)
Can you whisper it? Whisper.

Allin (01:20:00.302)
No, Val whispering it is still saying it. You're still gonna offend somebody.

Matty B (01:20:01.988)
Whispering it is still saying it, Val. I'll shoot you a text.

Val (01:20:05.809)
Spell it out. Spell it out.

Allin (01:20:09.583)
Still saying it though.

Matty B (01:20:09.85)
you

Raider Wil (01:20:10.767)
All right. So Packers, who else? Who else got Packers? Are we clean sweep on Packers on that?

Allin (01:20:16.158)
Yeah. Go pack go.

Cisco (01:20:16.281)
I we're on.

Matty B (01:20:16.43)
Yeah, I think so.

Raider Wil (01:20:19.093)
Alright, so hey guys. Hey, that's it for vows corner. Yo go ahead. Go ahead now. Never mind

Val (01:20:23.832)
just the- just the-

Just so you know, I did not choose Tennessee on this week either.

Matty B (01:20:32.821)
I did.

Val (01:20:34.512)
I know you did.

Allin (01:20:34.661)
that means, well shit, that means Tennessee's probably winning. Cause every time Val doesn't pick them they win.

Raider Wil (01:20:39.677)
shit. True that. True that. We'll have to see. We'll have to keep an eye on that. But yo, guys, now we're done with Val's Corner. Now, hey, for our last segment here, guys, does anybody here have any questions for our boy, the Cisco Kid?

Matty B (01:20:42.539)
Told you.

Right.

Cisco (01:20:59.868)
.

Raider Wil (01:21:00.469)
No? Alright, hey. Alright, alright, alright, Matty B. Hit him with it.

Allin (01:21:01.573)
I don't think I do tonight.

Matty B (01:21:07.082)
Yeah, so I got a question for you. I Got my son for Christmas. I got him the Brock Bowers training camp thing, right? Youth football camp is going on in June. I Want to see do you guys do anything in the summertime? With the tbh or is it strictly like just like football season or is there gonna be something like that? I can take my son to to kind of like

Allin (01:21:19.525)
That's dope, by the way.

Raider Wil (01:21:36.847)
So I guess it's like.

Matty B (01:21:37.902)
you know, show them around a little bit.

Cisco (01:21:39.291)
Typically, we haven't, but we've talked about getting more involved in the community here. So I can't say by that time we will, but we haven't in the past. Doesn't really anything in the summer as far as an exclusive TBH this or that. So yeah, can't say as of right now, no.

but it could change. you know, you'll obviously you guys will get the emails and you'll see the postings and all that stuff. So.

Matty B (01:22:17.325)
Okay, sweet.

Allin (01:22:19.365)
Would be kind of dope to have a TBH family friendly event in line with that Brock Bowers deal and get like some super fans out there.

Raider Wil (01:22:21.836)
Summer Get Together.

Cisco (01:22:27.695)
Yeah.

Cisco (01:22:31.502)
Yeah, but then again, you got to realize, I mean, most of Vegas is 21 and over. So, you know, having the kids involved, it's got to be like a recreation center or something like that. know, not not less like it's a super sweet deal or something like that, but.

Raider Wil (01:22:31.663)
would be dope.

Allin (01:22:39.11)
Yeah.

Matty B (01:22:46.829)
What about like signings? Do you guys do signings or anything like that? Like during those times or no?

Cisco (01:22:56.452)
You know, most of the players in the off season, unless they honestly live here and they're probably rookies or something. but it's, there's a, you know, there's a chance again, we've had some, but it just depends on the situation. Availability of a player, things like that.

Matty B (01:23:13.225)
Okay, cool.

Allin (01:23:13.722)
Matt.

Yeah, look at a look at many camp man. Maybe they'll maybe some players will have some signing somewhere to store on a pop up. Because it Bowers is in town for a camp if he does you know or he's doing his camp. Chances are there's going to be other players and stuff there.

Cisco (01:23:24.397)
Mm-hmm.

Cisco (01:23:32.97)
man.

Matty B (01:23:33.431)
Okay. I'll check it out. All right, cool.

Raider Wil (01:23:36.335)
All right. So Cisco, I do. got questions for you, man. All right. First of all, guys, I don't know if you guys know, but this game day was Black Hole Rob's Remembrance Game. That's Cisco's mentor. And I want to talk a little bit. I want you to talk a little bit about that. And then I have one more question, which is relating to your foundation with Kenny Shed. And I want you to bring some light into that. So.

Alright, Cisco, go ahead and take it away, brother.

Cisco (01:24:09.141)
Yeah, like you said, man, was definitely an honor that the Raiders chose to do this whole thing for the fans and the fans are on the ticket and they embraced, know, are embracing the fans. You know, it's awesome. And when JT told me that they were

You know, he asked for Rachel's phone number and stuff like that and told me that they were going to be contacting her and Rachel's Rob's wife. I was like, wow, that's awesome. And they didn't use the photo that we submitted. Rachel and I were going over different pictures of Rob to use, and they ultimately ended up using one, a still shot off of an E60 segment.

Matty B (01:25:01.925)
Thank

Cisco (01:25:05.927)
But nonetheless, man, was great to see him being honored. He's no longer with us, as you know. I think he was the only one that was on a ticket this year that is no longer with us. So that, to me, meant a lot to me and his family. It was great. was kind of emotional when I saw it.

one of our members and want to put him on blast just in case, but he hit me up and came over to the tailgate and actually gave me the ticket laminated and everything. So I'm obviously going to put that in some type of frame. And then of course I had to get the program. So yeah, so was a, it was a beautiful thing to see that. Like I said, you know, it was great.

Allin (01:25:54.92)
Let's go.

Cisco (01:26:03.494)
to see his face on that. was something to remember. So very happy, very happy.

Raider Wil (01:26:12.719)
Absolutely man, and I know that you know It's kind of crazy especially around the holiday season to remember your friends and to have things like this happen to to make you remember them and I hope that you remember all the happy times and Everything that he made you laugh the times that you guys shared and every single thing like that my brother now Another thing that you've that you're working with this Kenny now I'm the always dreaming foundation now guys

Matty B (01:26:14.363)
Thank

Cisco (01:26:31.826)
I sure do.

Raider Wil (01:26:41.967)
I know that you guys haven't seen it, but they have a thing that we're going to help out with where I think we're it's called Zephy.com. I'll put it up. We're trying to get $100 in donations for them for the Always Dreaming Foundation. This is for them to start creating videos about. What they got going on, so Cisco, I'll let you take over that as well.

Cisco (01:27:09.584)
Yeah. So, you know, for you guys that don't know Kenny and I, I can't remember how long it's been now, but for, for a while now, several years, we've had a, we're still have a film production company. It's called Always Dreaming. And we came up with a lot of people don't know this, but we kind of wanted to appeal to

what the name is, Always Dreaming, right? it kind of as Kenny being the writer and director, he's always thinking of different things. That's how he comes up with scripts. So it's kind of like Always Dreaming, AD. But internally, to him and I, it's from his mentor, Al Davis. So we use the initials AD for Al Davis. And I actually came up with the concept

Allin (01:28:04.81)
Let's go.

Cisco (01:28:07.066)
for our logo. If you look at our logo, it's film strips going upwards in the image of a flame. So it's to us, the eternal flame of Al-Davis.

Allin (01:28:25.589)
That's dope.

Cisco (01:28:26.959)
Yeah, so we've done some short films, some commercials, things like that. So this with the whole mental health that's kind of on the uprise, I it's always been there, but you know, the NFL is recognizing it now. know, Kenny has had some former teammates and obviously football alumni.

Raider Wil (01:28:27.225)
Huh. That is dope.

Matty B (01:28:27.424)
and pursue like that.

Cisco (01:28:54.988)
that we've all seen from Junior Sehadeh, Rashad Salam, ultimately take their lives due to CTE and stuff like that. But aside from getting hit in the head, a lot of people do suffer from mental health issues, whether it's family, passings, whatever it may be, something that affected them in their life to where it sticks with them.

It puts them in a dark place that, you know, basically it changes you as a person. And that's important. So we started kind of thinking about stuff like that. And we came up with this concept to start always dreaming society and working with a lot of people, obviously our friends in the movie making business that we worked with in the past, working with them again.

But we're also, you know, finding people that we've talked to that we come across that would like to share their stories. So we're going to be starting to film documentaries on these people discussing their situations. you know, it's kind of Will and I talk about this. If most of you are friends with me on social media, you see that, you know, every morning, Monday through Friday, I post like some type of motivational quote, right? I've been doing that for

over a decade, probably maybe almost 15 years. and friends of mine would, I would send it to them just directly, right? not that I felt that they needed it or whatever, but I just felt it was like a pick me up. Just how I would get them. I, you know, read them and be like, man, that, that, that's a way to start my day along with my copy, get my day going, put me in a positive direction. and then my friends that I would share it with started telling me like, why don't you.

post those, man, those are some of these are good. And I'm like, all right. So I started posting it and I've gotten, you know, some messages, some text messages, some inbox messages on Facebook saying, man, I really love that post today. I needed that, man. I'm really going through this right now or I'm in a slump right now or whatever it may be. And so I started sharing that. So obviously it's it's always been something to me to be that positive guy and, you know,

Cisco (01:31:22.35)
If I can, if I have the ability to turn somebody's frown upside down, you know, I'd like to do it. So when Kenny came up with this, I was like, dude, you know, I'm all in, so let's do it. you know, it's brand new, you know, it's we'll see where it goes. But we just basically want to create awareness. And and, you know, we're thankful for the few people so far that we have that want to share their stories with us to share with others. And hopefully.

people displaying or telling us their story will help others get them out of whatever it is they're in. One, think, for a fact would be letting people know that they're not alone. And it may be a situation that they're going through that this person went through already, and they may reach out to that person to say, I saw your segment. It really helped me.

You know what other outlets did help you that you may not have discussed? You know, we don't know. We don't know where it's going to go, but we just felt that it was important to put this together and we'll see where it goes. But you know, and again, thank you guys all for your support. I see you pumping it up on your on this show and I you know we can't thank you guys enough.

Raider Wil (01:32:40.375)
absolutely, my brother. And like, you know, we're all about supporting each other. We're all part about supporting things that are real, things that, you know, we want to do positive things in the community, because there's a lot of people out there that pretend and they put out all this information and they put out this persona that they want to help people, you know. But when you're on that opposite spectrum, we want to help you. So, guys, the Always Dreaming Foundation.

Allin (01:32:49.774)
100%.

Cisco (01:33:00.653)
we, yeah.

Raider Wil (01:33:09.731)
Make sure that you guys again, I'm going to put the link. You guys will see the link on one of the sides or above me. Guys, make sure you guys hit them up. We got a hundred dollars in donations that we're trying to get for them. Excuse me. And what we're going to do guys here is we're going to actually do a little raffle for it. We got some little items here that my wife actually picked up. Guys, I got the little game pins. I don't know if you guys see these here. Here's a game pin.

for the Raiders Colts game. OK, I got another game pin here or the Raiders Chargers game. OK, and we're going to throw in a little bit of extra stuff so that way we can do a raffle. And guess what, guys, we're going to donate all that. All the proceeds are going to go to. That foundation, so we're going to go to the always dreaming foundation. So guys.

Val (01:34:03.452)
which are the spots.

Raider Wil (01:34:06.895)
We're going to, what do you guys think we do? It's a hundred bucks. So we'll put up a little package and we do 10 slots for 10 bucks.

Cisco (01:34:15.845)
Thanks.

Raider Wil (01:34:16.057)
Are we good? What do you guys say? Put you down for two spots. Gotcha, sirs. Yep. Hey guys, so no problem, brother. So what we're going to do guys again, we're do that raffle. We'll put it up. We're going to put out all their information. Make sure you guys follow and like the Cisco kid. You know, he got his Instagram, IG, everything going. Make sure you follow him so that way he can update you guys on what's going on with the black hole. And guys, please.

Val (01:34:16.358)
Give me them for two spots.

Cisco (01:34:21.349)
Thank you. Thank you guys.

Raider Wil (01:34:45.529)
Follow, like, subscribe. It's all about one team. It's all about one nation. It's all about the Raiders.

Allin (01:34:52.239)
Raiders!

Val (01:34:52.654)
REEEE

Matty B (01:34:52.844)
Ready?